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  • Re: R12 - Freon
    Historical mailing list - Frank Terhaar-Yonkers
    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:07:07 -0400
    ...a 25lb jug) but *no* conversion is required. >> >> - Frank >> >> >Subject: Re: R12 - Freon >> >To: Vanagon@VANAGON.COM >> > >> >Yes, this is true, but the fact...
  • Re: A/C question
    Historical mailing list - kenneth d lewis
    Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:34:14 EDT
    John; What was the outside temperature? Around 90? Thirty degrees of cooling is about all you can expect from R12 and R134. Drive Safely...
  • 91 Carat F.S. in Utah
    Historical mailing list - Damian Shaw
    Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:31:29 -0700
    ...folds into a bed, foldup table, etc) auto transmission, power accessories, R12 a/c Brand new (factory new not rebuilt) engine w/about 1000...
  • Re: A/C tune-up time
    Historical mailing list - Jaime Forero
    Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:09:15 -0600
    My 91 has an R12 system. Has anyone done a modification to 134A?? Does the whole system have to be changed, i.e. hoses...
  • Re: Vanagon a/c
    Historical mailing list - Dave Mcneely
    Wed, 25 May 2011 23:31:57 -0500
    ...It's still the freon (R12) > >> system and I'm not prepared to pay the cost of regular R12 refills > >> so it has to...
  • Re: AC Conversion
    Historical mailing list - Mark Dorm
    Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:12:38 -0700
    Am I confused? An AC shop that still sells R12 said that the conversion to R134a was expensive. And you guys are doing it...
  • Re: R134 conversion
    Historical mailing list - Robert Cardo
    Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:31:05 -0500
    <<What should I flush my system with when changing from R12 to 134a? I'll be installing a new dryer at that time. Stan...
  • Re: Recharge AC every year??
    Historical mailing list - Chris McEwen
    Mon, 12 May 1997 08:12:56 -0700
    ...Freon aka R12) without a certificate from the EPA. The run up in prices on Freon result from the Montreal Protocol of 1989 that...
  • Re: 134 conversion
    Historical mailing list - Grungy
    Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:20:29 -0600
    ...It came with two hose adapters and a small container of snake oil that was supposed to convert the lubricant in the R12 setup...
  • Re: AC Outlet temps ??
    Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
    Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:53:37 -0500
    ...It was freshly charged with R12, and while a subjective observation, the air from the vents felt like it would freeze a halibut. Over...
  • Re[2]: A/C -R12--R134a (a bit off point) -Reply -Reply
    Historical mailing list - YauMan Chan
    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:09:15 -0800
    Yes, you are correct. India was NOT a participant nor a signatory on the Montreal Protocol - India was at the conference as an "observer...
  • Re: all my R12 is gone..? (bummer)
    Historical mailing list - Roger Sisler
    Wed, 25 May 2005 16:21:50 -0400
    Just thought I'd say this about any refrigerant that is a blend,as opposed to one that is just one chemical..A blend...
  • Re: How to convert to 134?
    Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
    Wed, 7 May 2008 00:02:29 -0500
    ...John Rodgers 88 GL Driver Jim Felder wrote: > Does anyone know of a complete set of instructions for converting to 134 > from R12? I...
  • Re: AC System Repair/ Upgrade
    Historical mailing list - Mike Miller
    Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:44:23 -0700
    ...I'm considering conversion to Freeze-12 rather > than >> another R12 recharge (since the R12 will undoubtably leak away again, > adding >> to the ozone...
  • Re: How much R134A to use in A/C
    Historical mailing list - Bryan Feddish
    Tue, 26 May 1998 13:07:36 -0400
    ...How much R134A to use in A/C On Tue, 26 May 1998 12:58:29 -0400 you said: >I got my Castrol R12...
  • Re: A/C -R12--R134a -Reply
    Historical mailing list - YauMan Chan
    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:17:22 -0800
    Hehe..now the alignment ideal was good.. but propane? But on the other hand.. if I remember the 2nd law of thermodynamics class in...
  • Re: WTB A/C gauges and vacuum pump
    Historical mailing list - Robert Zezoff
    Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:08:11 +800
    ...I will use a propane/butane mixture which is totally legal and more effecient that R12 or R134A >Grace Audio Engineering wrote: >> >> I am...
  • Re: AC Converting/Procedure/R134A
    Historical mailing list - Larry Alofs
    Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:29:42 -0500
    ...glass is usually part of the receiver/dryer. >It works for R12 which is a single chemical compound, >but not for R134a and others...
  • Vanagon shops in Boise Idaho
    Historical mailing list - Jeremy Speer
    Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:19:56 -0600
    ...convoy; safety in numbers? misery loves company? ;-) Thanks, -jspeer '89 Westy GL, "Mystery Machine" '05 BMW R1200GS <--- expecting to be VERY happy in Idaho!
  • Re: found some freon 12 should I recharge old AC
    Historical mailing list - Tom Hargrave
    Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:57:39 -0500
    ...Most AC shops dumped or upgraded their > R12 recovery systems long ago, when the R12 to R134 conversion > business finally went away. > > You will...
  • R 134 charging
    Historical mailing list - Sam P
    Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:25:14 -0700
    My '91 was converted to R 134 from R12 two years ago. Last year I added more coolant to increase the cooling ability. Now...
  • Re: A/C Warm
    Historical mailing list
    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:53:20 EDT
    ...this cost? If not, what will the price of a rebuilt R12 compressor be about? >> You may be surprised when they work on your...
  • Re: Cost of Freon R12
    Historical mailing list - David Brodbeck
    Thu, 15 May 2003 09:42:44 -0400
    On Wed, 14 May 2003, Dan Erlandson wrote: > Just a reminder to all Freon folks that the reason behind the increase in > cost of...
  • Re: R12 or R134 - How to distinguish?
    Historical mailing list - James V
    Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:36:00 -0700
    On 6/28/06 8:32 AM, "dhaynes@optonline.net" <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote: > Instead of filling the system, you need to consider finding...
  • Re: Vanagon a/c
    Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
    Mon, 23 May 2011 15:24:25 -0500
    ...It's still the freon (R12) system and I'm not prepared to pay the cost of regular R12 refills so it has to...
  • Re: AC High Side - line leak - rubber hose
    Historical mailing list - Jack R.
    Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:06:14 -0400
    ...I do have about 6 or 7 cans of R12 on my shelf, but intend to swap to R134a, and save the R12 for...
  • Re: AC conversion
    Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
    Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:23:21 -0500
    ...Of R12). I lost one canister due to inexperience. That left me with the 32 oz. It cools fairly well, but I wonder what...
  • Front AC System Failures - European Cooler Air
    Historical mailing list - Larry Chase
    Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:42:29 -0700
    ...System evacuated, value replaced, system filled with R12 (original Freeze 12 not available) Result: Works fine ... But not needed Second Time: No AC / Problem...
  • Re: scraping glue in the sun
    Historical mailing list - Rocket J Squirrel
    Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:25:50 -0700
    ...No matter what darn part of Africa they were camping in, they were probably griping about the heat and debating R134 vs R12 while...
  • Re: Vanagon A/C: R-12 to R-134a No-Mod Changeout
    Historical mailing list - PAT
    Wed, 20 May 1998 11:05:56 -0400
    ...Apparently R12 helps cool and lubricate the compressor better then 134A, so R12 systems can get by with a "lesser" oil. This is purely...
  • Re: AC Question
    Historical mailing list - Stephen Grisanti
    Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:07:03 -0700
    ...R134a doesn't work nearly as well as R12 in an unmodified R12 system.� Mods can run into some serious change. R134a will work...
  • Re: Vanagon a/c
    Historical mailing list - Michael Rasmussen
    Tue, 24 May 2011 19:27:15 -0700
    ...R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC. > > If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if you would turn off your computer...
  • QUAD ROUND HEADLITE GRILLES
    Historical mailing list - Renier Marais
    Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:22:05 +0200
    << According to the local VW parts dudes the grill will set you back R282 (US$51) and the lights R126 (US$22,91)each...
  • Re: R12-R134a and the dealer.
    Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:40:06 EDT
    In a message dated 7/14/98 3:32:52 PM, GMBulley@AOL.COM writes: >Both Stohlman VW in Fairfax, VA Stohlman, is actually...
  • Re: AC High Side - line leak - rubber hose
    Historical mailing list - John C...
    Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:54:15 +0000
    ...The original type of hose was designed during the time period when R12 refrigerant was inexpensive and it's affect on the ozone level...
  • Re: found some freon 12 should I recharge old AC
    Historical mailing list - David McNeely
    Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:29:25 -0700
    ...Most AC shops dumped or upgraded their > > R12 recovery systems long ago, when the R12 to R134 conversion > > business finally went away. > > > > You will...
  • Re: Vanagon a/c
    Historical mailing list - Jamie Fitterer
    Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:27:01 +0000
    ...It's > > > still the freon (R12) system and I'm not prepared to pay the cost of regular R12 > > > refills so it has to...
  • Re: AC cutting out momentarily
    Historical mailing list - Dennis Haynes
    Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:24:40 -0400
    ...I rebuilt all hoses 2 years ago (kept to R12, new dryer, etc); system has blown cold ever since. Is this a sign of...
  • Re: Air Conditioning
    Historical mailing list - Raimund Feussner
    Mon, 27 Sep 2021 08:42:09 +0200
    ...Back when I had my '88 van, I dutifully switched my system > over to R-134a because R12 was going out and what little...
  • Re: AC Conversion
    Historical mailing list - Gerald Masar
    Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:24:18 -0700
    ...I recently ordered the R12-134a conversion kit from the Bus Depot. I then read that the conversion will fail because the Vanagons AC...
  • Re: Desert refrigerant of choice?
    Historical mailing list - Scott Daniel - Turbovans
    Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:11:53 -0700
    I'm no AC expert, and R134a is known for leaking much more easily than the old R12 ...due to smaller molecules. there are...
  • Re: Vanagon a/c
    Historical mailing list - Donna Skarloken
    Mon, 23 May 2011 13:20:58 -0700
    ...It's still the freon (R12) system and I'm not prepared to pay the > cost of regular R12 refills so it has to...
  • Vanagon in South-Africa
    Historical mailing list - Renier Marais
    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:29:45 +0200
    ...Chris According to the local VW parts dudes the grill will set you back R282 (US$51) and the lights R126 (US$22,91...
  • Re: Fwd: 89 syncro westy ac question
    Historical mailing list - mike miller
    Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:42:31 -0700
    ...89 syncro westy ac question > R12 and R134 will burn when exposed to flame. The resulting gasses are > poisonous and can kill you. > > Surprised...
  • Re: Avoid freeze 12!
    Historical mailing list - don spence
    Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:36:53 -0600
    ...It works pretty much as well as R12. >
  • Re: Do-it-yourself conversion of air conditioning to 134a questio n
    Historical mailing list - Marshall Ruskin
    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 05:52:23 -0600
    ...Marshall Ruskin >Did the conversion according to the package instructions. > >Have the R12 extracted. Put new fitting on. Put R134a in. Put oil in...
  • Re: removing air conditioner without spilling the freon
    Historical mailing list - kenneth wilford (Van-Again)
    Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:39:50 -0500
    ...I once operated a non-road > machine with an R12 system and found a local tech who would make house > calls (so to speak...
  • Re: Air Conditioner Question
    Historical mailing list - Robert Dalton
    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:08:35 -0800
    ...Rob --- Jeff Strickrott <jstric01@CS.FIU.EDU> wrote: > I am new to AC issues and have an old R12 system > that I am contemplating...
  • Re: 134 conversion
    Historical mailing list - Frank Condelli
    Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:34:04 EST
    ...For some Vanagon content, I bought a cheap R12-to-R134 conversion kit at Wal-Mart and it worked - nothing has blown up yet...
  • R134 for campers?
    Historical mailing list - paul banks
    Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:23:40 -0400
    ...I had already decided to go with R12 before he told me about this. I will retrofit in a few years. I wonder though...
  • Re: found some freon 12 should I recharge old AC
    Historical mailing list - David McNeely
    Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:26:59 -0700
    ...However, it would be unethical to add R12 to a system with ANY leaks. R12 has been outlawed for new equipment for a good...
  • Vanagon airconditioning hoses
    Historical mailing list - John Hung
    Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:30:41 -0500
    ...Lo and behold, the electronic leak detector beeps along the entire length of the hoses! Apparently the hoses had deteriorated with age, and R12...
  • Re: Proper AC temp?
    Historical mailing list - Mike Miller
    Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:09:04 -0700
    ...I seem to remember that R12 was about 30-35 degrees and 134a was about 20 degrees or so? But, alas, the real numbers...
  • Re: Air Conditioner Question
    Historical mailing list - Terry K.
    Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:53:58 -0600
    ...In the early years, it wasn't much Freon to get a clear sight >glass and R12 used to be cheap. Not anymore. My...
  • Re: Vanagon A/C
    Historical mailing list - Steve Reilly
    Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:02:07 PDT
    ...It wanted to leak R12 freely from a variety of places in the system, and had to be reattached to the roof on a...
  • freeze 12
    Historical mailing list - Chasteen, Jonathan M. MM3 (CVN69)
    Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:56:45 -0400
    ...My 85 GL is going to get recharged with R12 after I replace the coimpressor drier and expansion valve and replace every seall in...
  • Re: AC does loses freon
    Historical mailing list - Allan Streib
    Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:40:49 -0400
    ...Mercedes) where the cooling was barely adequate with R12, the R134a is not a good idea. Allan -- 1991 Vanagon GL Mike <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET...
  • Re: A/C--Fix it myself?
    Historical mailing list - Jim Felder
    Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:56:38 -0500
    ...You will find that unlike R12, R134 needs some help. When you connect it and begin the filling process, everything will go fine until...
  • Long time, no post
    Historical mailing list - Jeremy Speer
    Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:14:23 -0700
    ...Regards, -jspeer '89 Westy GL "Mystery Machine" '05 BMW R1200GS
  • Re: AC does loses freon
    Historical mailing list - Richard A Jones
    Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:35:13 -0600
    ...I converted my '87 from non-functioning R12 to R134a. They tested for leaks, then evacuated and converted. It worked fine-- plenty cool--for...