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• R12 Overharging is NOT a solution!
  Historical mailing list - John
  Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:21:53 -0400
  ...1) The high side would NEVER be high because the compressor could not get the necessary R12 vapor quantity due to the blockage. 2...
• Re: R12 or R134 - How to distinguish?
  Historical mailing list - Mike Collum
  Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:27:13 -0400
  ...Mike '85 Westy with R134 James V wrote: > Is it possible to tell if the AC is R12 or R134, BESIDES the low/high...
• Re: a/c rebuild and retrofitted to R134a
  Historical mailing list - harald.nancy
  Wed, 13 May 1998 18:57:59 -0700
  ...Work sequence: -Extract refrigerant R12 using extraction station V.A.G 1691. -Remove refrigerant oil from compressor - Two proposals for this: Proposal 1: Remove...
• Re: R12 or R134?
  Historical mailing list - Scott Norville
  Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:33:00 -0400
  Our '83.5 Westy blows very cold air, with 134a (converted 3-4 years ago). It blows it all over the back area while...
• Re: 134 conversion
  Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
  Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:33:55 -0500
  ...for less that the R12 refrigerant charge. > I was quoted $175.00 to recharge my Porsche system with R12 and that is > about the...
• Re: My R134a experience
  Historical mailing list - Michael Diehr
  Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:43:49 -0700
  ...The > shop (Harris Radiator near San Diego) did a great job, and even > offered me a guarantee, offering to change back to R12 if...
• Re: R12 to R134a Air Conditioning Conversion
  Historical mailing list - David Brodbeck
  Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:16:06 -0400
  On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:58:03 -0500, Stan Wilder wrote > I never said r134a was as good as R12. > I just contend...
• Re: AC Shop Recommendations in Vancouver BC
  Historical mailing list
  Fri, 3 May 2019 21:47:52 +0000
  ...been converted from R12.  In fact, it has never had any work done on it apart from the occasional R12 recharge.  It has not...
• Re: AC Freon
  Historical mailing list - Chris DeLong
  Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:39:16 -0000
  ...R12 is R12. Home refridgerators dont use R12. They use something else. It still is flammable. My mistake for not knowing the name of...
• Re: Vanagon a/c
  Historical mailing list - David M
  Mon, 23 May 2011 12:41:10 -0700
  ...It's still the freon (R12) system and I'm not prepared to pay the cost of regular R12 refills so it has to...
• Re: AC System Repair/ Upgrade
  Historical mailing list - Michael Hart
  Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:00:38 -0700
  ...I'm considering conversion to Freeze-12 rather than another R12 recharge (since the R12 will undoubtably leak away again, adding to the ozone...
• A/C hoses and fr12 refrigerant
  Historical mailing list - Darrell Boehler
  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:31:30 -0600
  ...It is quite a lot cheaper than r12 and according to Pennzoil dealer will cool as well as r12. Any comments on fr12 are...
• Re: Vanagon a/c
  Historical mailing list - Rob
  Wed, 25 May 2011 02:03:52 -0700
  ...Name your poison: >R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC. > >If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if >you would turn...
• AC Shop Recommendations in Vancouver BC
  Historical mailing list - Rich O'Halloran
  Fri, 3 May 2019 09:47:03 -0700
  ...Any recommendations for an AC shop in Vancouver, BC, Canada, Lower Mainland or even Washington State? The AC has never been converted from R12...
• Re: Bus Depot A/C Compressor Sanden 508
  Historical mailing list - Jim Felder
  Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:14:13 -0500
  ...Before ordering I called and asked if it was R-134 compatible and was told yes, either R12 or R134. It has a sticker...
• Re: R-12 alternatives
  Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
  Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:12:12 -0500
  ...After a lot of consideration I decided to stick with R12 Freon in the system. It is set up for that. All components were...
• Re: Air Ciondition
  Historical mailing list
  Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:52:58 EDT
  In a message dated 6/16/01 4:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cjruss@GIS.NET writes: > What is the difference between R12...
• Re: Vanagon a/c
  Historical mailing list - Dave Mcneely
  Wed, 25 May 2011 09:24:34 -0500
  ...Name your poison: > >R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC. > > > >If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if > >you would turn...
• Freon Conversions / Substitutes
  Historical mailing list - Tom Brunson
  Thu, 3 Jul 97 01:45:13 UT
  ...This is an EPA approved, non-flammable, low-toxic blend of refrigerant gasses that comes very close to R12 in properties and requires minimum...
• Re[2]: A/C -R12--R134a (a bit off point) -Reply
  Historical mailing list - Don Gibbons
  Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:44:34 -0400
  Not complete. Certain countries like China and India are even now making R-12 as they are permitted by the ban. But in time...
• Re: Bus Depot A/C Compressor Sanden 508
  Historical mailing list - J Stewart
  Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:27:26 +0000
  ...Before ordering I > >> called and asked if it was R-134 compatible and was told yes, > >> either R12 or R134. It has a sticker...
• Re: R12 to R134a Air Conditioning Conversion
  Historical mailing list - 80 Westy Pokey
  Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:24:05 -0400
  ...my R12 system leaked out > in a matter of weeks. Living in FL, driving with > A/C is definitely preferred. So, off to the...
• Re: R134 conversion.
  Historical mailing list - Joe L.
  Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:09:05 -0400
  ...There is even lubricant that is compatible with both r12 and > r134. Local napa store has compressor seal kits and O rings. Sams discount...
• Re: 91 Vanagon A/C
  Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
  Mon, 26 May 2008 23:36:49 -0500
  ...Perfectly legit, and Freeze 12 is almost a straight across performance equivalent to Freon R12.. The problem with the R134a is the higher operating...
• Re: A/C compressor question
  Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
  Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:16:40 -0500
  Lindemulder wrote: > > Steve; > Replace your r12 with HotShot it's the direct replacement and sell for > 10.00/lbs. > Hans > Hans, what is Hotshot...
• Re: Desert refrigerant of choice?
  Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
  Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:36:07 -0500
  ...From what little I have read here and there - it appears that R134a doesn't have a much better reputation than R12 when it...
• Re: Red tek r-134 question
  Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
  Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:09:42 -0400
  As a happy Duracool customer, I'll report that Duracool runs at LOWER pressure that R134 (or even R12) and gives effectively as good...
• What happens if you put 134a into a r12 systems without doing nothing?
  Historical mailing list - Sharon Mendonca
  Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:25:13 -0700
  Two mechanic told me to go ahead but I still have a problem! I have both kinds and ready to put either into A...
• R12 to R134 conv
  Historical mailing list - Eric Zeno
  Mon, 29 Apr 1996 06:45:44 (EST)
  ...Tim Marciniak tmarcini@execpc.com TIm, I have complete details on converting all VW air conditioning systems from R12 to R134. I was going...
• Re: R12 or R134?
  Historical mailing list - David Maurio
  Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:31:09 +0000
  > ----------------------- Clip ---------------------- > Time to take a poll ................. > How many 18 year old Vanagons and Westies still have a functioning A/C ? Not me! but I...
• Re: AC trip report
  Historical mailing list - Sharon Mendonca
  Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:37:18 -0700
  Now that you've experienced your 134A conversion, what's your opinion of how it cools compared to the old R12? We seem to...
• Re: Vanagon a/c
  Historical mailing list - Karl Wolz
  Tue, 24 May 2011 17:47:39 -0700
  My mechanic tells me, FWIW, that R134a works nearly as well as did R12, however, nearly as well doesn't quite cut it when...
• Re: AC Conversion
  Historical mailing list - Garth Woolstenhulme
  Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:37:50 -0700
  ...Garth Finn Runyon wrote: > > Dear List... > I recently ordered the R12-134a conversion kit from the Bus > Depot. I > then read that the conversion...
• AC refrigerant capacity oil capacity
  Historical mailing list - Brian Keese
  Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:56:43 -0400
  ...I wonder if anyone here can tell me what the correct refrigerant (r12) and oil capacity is. Can anyone help? Thanks, Brian Brian Keese...
• Re: AC converted to 134 - now what?
  Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
  Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:04:02 -0400
  Duracool operates at lower head pressures than either R12 or R134, so yes it is definitely better than R134. On Jul 17, 2005, at...
• Re: AC tinkering
  Historical mailing list - Robert Fisher
  Tue, 30 May 2006 17:13:08 -0700
  ...Either get > your system recharged with R12, or get your system converted. If you > aren't going to stay with R12, you should get...
• Re: R134 conversion
  Historical mailing list - Stan Wilder
  Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:16:52 -0500
  What should I flush my system with when changing from R12 to 134a? I'll be installing a new dryer at that time. Stan...
• Re: [syncro.org] How-To's on pulling the fridge out
  Historical mailing list - Malcolm Stebbins
  Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:41:54 -0700
  ...http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind9909A&L=vanagon&P=R12789 Malcolm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new...
• Re: Vanagon a/c
  Historical mailing list - Rocket J Squirrel
  Wed, 25 May 2011 08:07:15 -0700
  ...Name your poison: > > >R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC. > > > > > >If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if > > >you would turn...
• Re: R12 or R134? (fwd)
  Historical mailing list - William Davidson
  Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:30:46 -0600
  I have a 1984 vanagon with R12 and still runs great!. I did some work on it in 1992 but nothing since. Unless you...
• Re: AC 134a refrigerant leak down
  Historical mailing list
  Tue, 7 May 2013 22:14:33 -0400
  If I remember correctly, R134 refrigerant is a smaller molecule, and hence more easily gets past seals than R12. On May 7, 2013, at...
• Re: R12 vs. R134
  Historical mailing list - Eric Small
  Tue, 30 May 2000 22:59:13 EDT
  ...to replace the failed lines and recharge with R12. The decision to rebuild and convert was easy. Eric
• Re: How to convert to 134?
  Historical mailing list - Eric Ley
  Wed, 7 May 2008 12:46:25 -0400
  First off r12 is a ozone depleting gas and r134a is a green house gas two very different areas there are many way's...
• Re: AC Conversion
  Historical mailing list - Todd Last
  Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:36:00 -0700
  I have heard to do the conversion correctly, you have to drain the system of R12 and the lubricating oil, and replace the receiver...
• Re: R12 alternatives
  Historical mailing list - Keith Ovregaard
  Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:52:52 -0700
  ...PS My R12a conversion has been working fine all summer and has not blown up yet! Keith O. 90 SyncroWesty On Sep 7, 2006...
• Re: Cost of Freon R12
  Historical mailing list - R. Hotchkiss
  Wed, 14 May 2003 11:24:44 -0400
  ...Cost of Freon R12 > > In a message dated 5/14/2003 9:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hotch@HOTSTRINGS-INC.COM writes: > >> Try...
• <No subject>
  Historical mailing list - Remy
  Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:00:56 -0700
  ...Which is best - stay with R12 freon or switch to R134. My mechanic thinks I should switch but have heard R 134 is not...
• Freon!
  Historical mailing list - Joel Shortlidge
  Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:02:35 -0500
  ...By the time he noticed it came off and sprayed R12 freon all over his FACE!! I thought I was going to have to...
• Re: AC Conversion: R12 to R134A
  Historical mailing list - Mark & Laura Magee
  Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:10:09 -0500
  ...Does anyone know of a good article on a website > or a good list posting that covers R12 -> R134A AC > refrigerant conversion? I've...
• Re: Bus Depot A/C Compressor Sanden 508
  Historical mailing list - JRodgers
  Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:48:42 -0500
  ...The head pressure for the 134a is higher than that of R12, so the compressor works harder. As to how much sooner it will...
• Re: A/C shop in CA?
  Historical mailing list - Keith Ovregaard
  Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:00:11 -0700
  ...Please take note, Jon, and all who think using R12 is OK. It is not. Please consider using anything but R12. Here's what...
• Re: Freeze 12 Update
  Historical mailing list - John Rodgers
  Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:15:20 -0500
  ...use Freeze 12, supposedly a near perfect replacement for Freon R12, the R12 system must first be converted to a R134a system in the...
• Re: R12 or R134 - How to distinguish?
  Historical mailing list - David Bohannan
  Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:31:47 -0400
  ...Dave On 6/28/06, James V <tornadored@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is it possible to tell if the AC is R12 or R134, BESIDES...
• Re: R12 to R134a Air Conditioning Conversion
  Historical mailing list - Robert Campbell
  Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:37:33 -0700
  ...my R12 system leaked out > in a matter of weeks. Living in FL, driving with > A/C is definitely preferred. So, off to the...
• Re: A/C no place for DIY: was how much R134a in A/C
  Historical mailing list - Jim DiGennaro
  Thu, 28 May 1998 21:49:02 -0400
  ...Years ago when r12 was pennys a pound unstead of dollars per ounce, DIYers could add freon to there A/C every few months...
• Re: Front AC System Failures - European Cooler Air
  Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
  Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:54:59 -0500
  ...Then you switched to R12. However, unless the system was cleaned out and new R12 lubricants put into the system, you could have been...
• Re: A/C Performance in '91 GL
  Historical mailing list - Kim Brennan
  Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:48:45 EDT
  ...I remember the R12 cooling of my GoldBrick when I first got it...and it was AWESOME...or just COOL. R134, for my money...
• Re: AW: A/C -R12--R134a, VW tech bulletin, there's one.
  Historical mailing list - Cathy Thompson
  Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:32:32 EDT
  I went with 134a and I have noticed very little difference at all, maybe a few degrees is all, but it is very comfy...
• Re: R12 to R134a Air Conditioning Conversion
  Historical mailing list - Stan Wilder
  Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:59:53 -0500
  I have brand new everything and the biggest and most efficient condenser available, should be, cost enough. Still doesn't do it. Rats. Mike...
• Re: R134 USERS??????????
  Historical mailing list - Mark Dorm
  Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:08:54 PDT
  ...I am licensed >to by R12, but I chose to convert for economic reasons. I needed 2 cans of >R12 / Phoenix summer since the...