

| Subject: | Re: Becketts Tome on Dual Batt.s,Relays,Saftey,and charging (Very Long) |
| From: | Bill Davidson |
| Date: | Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:31:42 -0700 |
Anyone considering an isolator might want to look into a Battery Combiner. They are sold by West Marine. I believe they claim no voltage drop across them like isolators. And my impression is that virtually everything marine is superior in quality to automotive stuff. West Marine has a tech department that you can talk with. The 50A model 143268 is listed in their catalogue for 59.99... www.westmarine.com Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "harald_nancy" <harald_nancy@earthlink.net> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Becketts Tome on Dual Batt.s,Relays,Saftey,and charging (Very Long) > Dan > 1) I would start by making sure that the alternator on the '82 vang. > is in good shape. Take it out and find an automotive electrical shop > that rebuilds Bosch alternators, starters etc. Pay them a small fee > to have the alternator tested. The alternator should always be > in top condition (especially the smaller 65amp alt. on the '82) > to work properly with the isolator. If it has more than a 110 thou. > miles on it, have the shop install new bearings and consider a > new regulator, to make sure you get the highest voltage possible. > The alt. has to work harder with the isolator. > I had much better successs rebuilding my orig. alternators than > buying rebuilt ones. I put new brushes and bearings in mine every > 110 thou.miles. > I don't know what brand isolator you are using. > It could be a Sure Power 702R up to 70 amp, or > 952R up to 95 amp or 1202R up to 120 amp. > The R stands for Remote regulator sensing. This terminal is > supposed to be connected to the regulator in the following > manner: (if that is what you got) > 2) Alternator does not need to be removed. Just unscrew the > regulator ( that black thing with the little round disc) and > take it out. ( be careful with the brushes) > Bend over the metal tab that contacts > inside the alt. ( bend it all the way up) > and solder a # 14 wire to it. > Push the contact prong inside the alt. a bit more in, to > make sure it won't make contact. Reinstall regulator. > That wire goes to the R terminal on the isolator. > Now the alternator can compensate for the 0.8 volt > voltage drop across the diodes. > 3) How old is the isolator? I don't know if the diodes > in the isolators become less efficient with age, > but they can burn out. Just like everything else. > If the isolator is 18 years old, I would replace it or > at least, test it. They are not that expensive. > The 952R I think is $ 40 to 50. Good for the > 65 amp alternator. If you have the 90 amp alt. > use the 1202R for longevity. > If an isolator fails, (burns out) it can connect both > batteries, and charging efficiency will be reduced, > and also both batteries will be discharged when > using camping appliances (12 volt). > 4) The batteries could also be less efficient from > age or use. > or it can be a combination of all of the above. > Harald > 90 westy > > --------- > > From: Daniel Schmitz <djs@gene.com> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Becketts Tome on Dual Batt.s,Relays,Saftey,and charging > (Very Long) > > Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:52 PM > > > > Related to this thread, I have an isolator on my '82 Adventurewagen. It > used to > > work well, but I noticed that in the last several years, the voltage drop > across > > the alternator terminal and either of the charging terminals is such that > my > > batteries aren't always getting enough voltage to charge properly. > > > > Couple with this, I never did use that 4th, smaller terminal on the > isolator. Is > > that the alternator sensing terminal, and if so, what should it be wired > to? > > > > Currently I'm bypassing the isolator so my battery always gets a good > charge. > > > > ...Dan > > > > Beckett Cantrell wrote: > > > > > Harald, please forgive me if I seemed to insinuate that batt. isolators > were > > > no good. Some work wonderfully, the key being the remote sensing > terminal you > > > mentioned. I aimed the previous posts at relay switched dual batt. > charging > > > systems as they are much more common and inexpensive than the isolator > > > methoud. > > > Good luck, > > > Beckett > > > ---------- > > From: Daniel Schmitz <djs@gene.com> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Becketts Tome on Dual Batt.s,Relays,Saftey,and charging > (Very Long) > > Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:52 PM > > > > Related to this thread, I have an isolator on my '82 Adventurewagen. It > used to > > work well, but I noticed that in the last several years, the voltage drop > across > > the alternator terminal and either of the charging terminals is such that > my > > batteries aren't always getting enough voltage to charge properly. > > > > Couple with this, I never did use that 4th, smaller terminal on the > isolator. Is > > that the alternator sensing terminal, and if so, what should it be wired > to? > > > > Currently I'm bypassing the isolator so my battery always gets a good > charge. > > > > ...Dan > > > > Beckett Cantrell wrote: > > > > > Harald, please forgive me if I seemed to insinuate that batt. isolators > were > > > no good. Some work wonderfully, the key being the remote sensing > terminal you > > > mentioned. I aimed the previous posts at relay switched dual batt. > charging > > > systems as they are much more common and inexpensive than the isolator > > > methoud. > > > Good luck, > > > Beckett >
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