

| Subject: | Re: Window Trim Install - Details & MisInfo in Archives |
| From: | Daniel Schmitz |
| Date: | Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:23:23 -0700 |
As one of those unfortunate miscreants who removed the oxidized, brown chrome strip from my windshield and noticed that it now leaks, I appreciate your pioneering and successful attempt at this most fearsome and challenging of aesthetic improvements. Bus Depot lists an entire set of chrome moldings for around $100, and now I am tempted to order one and try this myself. The moldings on my '87 are all a uniform brown, which contrasts unattractively with the van's metallic blue paint. Not that I am trying to have a perfect van, but these old moldings stand out from a mile away! With my freshly painted poptop, the van actually looks pretty good, save for the moldings. Dan '87 Westfalia '82 Adventurewagen '75 Porsche 914 Frank Grunthaner wrote: > Just finished installing the chrome trim strips in my windows all around and > thought I share the details. > > Mine looked like hell and really detracted from my otherwise fresh '82 > Westfalia. You have probably all followed the thread about removing the > oxidized strips - then 1) leave em out, call it the California look! 2) > replace them or the window will fall out, 3) to replace them you must pull > out the whole window, replace the trim then replace the window and seal and > 4) replace them with the window installed - use a bent paper clip - no big > deal! In searching the archives all of the above are there along with dire > warnings. Lots of doomsday workers on the list (sorry). I'm here to say > that the archives are full of misinformation (sometimes termed BS). And so > begins my story. > > First, the issue of obtaining the trim strips. They are in the EKTA CD and > stocked by the dealer. Price will bring you to your knees. They are also > carried by West Coast Metric at a reasonable price. But Bus Depot had them > for half the West Coast Metric price, so I ordered them from the Depot. This > was not one of Ron's finest hours, but the 2 1/2 month wait helped me put off > the operation for three to four months. Tempus Fugit. > > In the interim, I checked out the local Pick-a-Part yards which have > contributed so much to my knowledge and my Westfalia. I went up to several > Vanagons and pushed (vigorously) on windshield, rear window and side windows. > The glass withstood my efforts admirably. I then removed the trim strip and > repeated the experiment. Amazing, the windows popped out readily (pushing > from the inside). After several of these I developed a qualitative measure of > the force required to pop the windshield w/o the trim strip. The force > required to pop the window with trim strip in place was at least twice that > required to pop the de-stripped ones. This continued until I was escorted > from the yard as some kind of nut. > > So, sorry, Chris and the other purveyors of "pull 'em, leave 'em, its just > fine!" are wrong (in my opinion). The trim strip is clearly a locking strip. > Take it out and seriously compromise the safety and integrity of the Vanagon. > No comment about water leakage, but the archived suggestion of increased > leakage after removal of the strip makes sense to me. > > Then on to the problem of the install. The Doomsday approach of having to > remove the window and rubber seal, pop in trim and replace the whole assembly > just made no sense to me. There is one report in the archives of making a > tool out of a paper clip which seemed reasonable but I felt there had to be a > tool. Well, there is! The tool is manufactured by Leslie Tools as Model > Number 47000, and costs $12.95 at the local FLAPS. They probably won't have > it in stock and will have to special order it. Typically 7 days. Plenty of > time to play with it until the order from the Bus Depot arrives. BTW, amazing > that no comment about installation method or the tool comes from either WCM > or BD. > > OK, tool in hand, soap and water solution spray bottle in mouth, I attacked > the Vanagon. One hour for the first one, 10 minutes for the last. The keys: > > 1.) Lube the channel copiously (50/50 mix of water and dishwashing soap > worked well). > > 2.) Guide the strip to the tool by holding down 4 to 5 inches of material > ahead of the tool with notch in groove. > > 3.) Use the smaller of the two tool heads provided. > > 4.) Relax, Mozart helps, well-placed colorful curses impede progress (Don't > ask, we're talking data here). > > 5.) Leave about 3 hours total for the job with cleanup (Windows in place). > > 6.) Leave several days if window removal is attempted, also kiss up to > neighbors before job (while waiting for delivery), in order to procure > necessary additional hands for messy job. > > The results: Excellent, my friendly machine looks years younger. A quick test > shows a mileage improvement of 0.03 mpg, clearly related to better moral of > both driver and machine. Could be some reduction in drag, but I haven't had a > chance to quantify. > > Negative: My 12 year old told her mother I repainted the camper! Later she > qualified her statement by saying that I had removed the brown trim. > > Summary: Piece of cake. By the tool and rejuvenate your ride. Also: the > Doomsday procedure involving the removal of the windows is certainly not the > only way to make this modification. I could still be reserved for the > masochists among us. > > Hope this helps someone, and my apologies for length. > > Frank Grunthaner
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