

| Subject: | Re: Battery isolator vs combiner?? |
| From: | Brian Sassone |
| Date: | Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:00:16 -0700 |
West Marine makes a solid state BC. (apologies if this was already covered as I missed the beginnig of this thread) Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "harald_nancy" <harald_nancy@earthlink.net> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Battery isolator vs combiner?? > Ken, > I called Sure Power a few months ago, and they also told me > that their isolator is more efficient than their combiner in the > vanagon application. > The technician claimed that the combiner is actually less > efficient, because of the power loss across the contacts. > (They would make more money selling combiners.) > Makes you wonder about relays. > I've been using Sure Power isolators in different vanagons, > '81 air cooled and '90 model, for many years. > For me, the SP isolator works very well in the vanagon > installation. > Here are the voltage measurements I get on my '90 westy > with the 90 amp alternator. > Engine compartment: > voltage at alternator: 14.84 > voltage at battery 1 terminal: 14.14 > voltage at battery 2 terminal: 14.14 > > Front of the vanagon: > voltage at aux. battery: 14.2 > voltage at main battery: 14.2 > voltage at outlet in dash: 13.95 > > That's with a 1 year old Bosch regulator, and had my original > alternator rebuilt by a local shop. > You can see how the voltage drops on its way to the dash. > When I turn on the headlights and other accesories, the > voltage drops even more at the dash, all the way down > to close to 12.5 volts, in extremes. > But that's because of the wiring in the vanagon. > At the battery terminals, the voltage stays around 14.2. > Overall, these measurements are very acceptable to me. > I never have any dead battery or charging system problems. > > It might be somewhat more marginal with the 65 amp > alternator on the older models. But I've previously used the > SP isolator on my '81 vanagon, and it did ok. > The 65 amp alternator has to be in good condition to keep two > batteries charged, and the batteries also have to be in good condition. > I don't know how it would work with a 45 amp alternator (diesel??). > Looks like you have a diesel westy. > I think the isolator works very well with the 90 amp alternator, > and both batteries last a long time (like 6 yrs +). > The Sure Power model that I'm using is 1202R. > Good luck. > Harald > '90 westy > > Ken wrote: > > Being in the mood to install a 2nd battery in my 82 Westy, I have been > > reading the archives about the SurePower isolator and the more recently > > mentioned combiner. The drawback to the isolator I had assumed to be > about a > > .7 volt loss in charging and some modification to the alternator > regulator. > > The battery combiner seemed to be the ticket as it didn't have these > problems > > and in addition could (optionally) be used to combine the 2 batteries for > > emergency starting. The SurePower people tell me, however, that for > Vanagons > > the best choice is the isolator and that the supposed .7 volt charging > loss > > is actually compensated by increasing the charging rate the same amount. > Also > > the isolator being solid-state would last longer and be more trouble free > > than the electo-mechanical combiner besides being half the cost. > > Looking at the West Marine catalog the isolator again is mentioned as > losing > > that .7 volt and not being the best way to go. > > I am probably going to use a deep cycle lead acid battery until I can > afford > > the spiral-wound or gel cells. What am I missing here? Is the isolator > OK? > > > > Ken Hunter > > 82 Westy 1.9D > > 84 Jetta 1.5D > > 89 Mitsubishi van
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