The prices that I was throwing around was used vs used and they were for
*complete* engines with wire and ECU.

Like I was saying, I have nothing against the TD, just a lot against the
initial expense of installing one.

David Marshall

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Karl Mullendore
Sent: November 9, 2000 6:13 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Why has the list been so quiet lately/ 1.9TD

But again, are we talking about a USED 2.0 engine, or new? And, what about
all the extras that are needed (wiring, computer, etc. etc.)? A free-flow
exhaust and a minor boost tweak on the TD puts it at more torque than the
2.0, and a MUCH broader torque curve at that. Drive both a TD and a gasser
back-to-back, you will love the always-on torque of the TD. Emissions? A TD
with a catalyst will surprise you how with clean it runs. Don't forget also
how easy diesels are to diagnose should there ever be a problem. Hey, do my
opinions sound slanted? You bet, within the next two years I will be driving
an all-diesel fleet. Nothing like a TD in my book.

Karl Mullendore
Westy Ventures
1987 Syncro Westfalia 1.9TD
1988 Audi 80 Quattro (soon TD powered)
1985 Transporter singlecab (soon 1.9TD  or 2.0TD powered)
......and there may be a diesel Unimog soon....

----- Original Message -----

> Dealing with engines "out of the box" the 2.0L Audi or Golf engine would
be
> a better choice for both Horsepower and Torque.
>
> ENGINE  HORSE POWER             TORQUE
> 2.1 WBX 95@4800         117@3200
> 1.9 TD  75@4200         111@2400-3400
> 2.0 Audi        115@5400                122@3200
>
> Yes there is a little more torque on the TD @ 2400 RPM than the 2.0L
> Gasoline but the 2.0L gasoline engine can be had for about $900 USD
> (Campbell Nelson in WA) where the 1.9TD is about three times that price!
It
> will take a lot of fill ups at the pump to make the TD pay off.  Recently
> there has also been a lot of talk about how harmful Diesel emissions MAY
be
> as compared to gasoline.  I guess the TDI is not for sale in CA or NY but
> the 2.0L gasoline motors are...
>
> Both engines are really good engines, but the gasoline motor is better
> suited for the gears and tires that you have install on there now as it is
> very close to the wasserboxer in the HP and Torque peaks.
>
> My $0.02 worth anyhow!
>
> David Marshall