This is probably absolute naivete speaking (not to mention computer and
internet ignorance), but what if - as an entire List - we approached the
right VW magnate and suggested they make the EKTA cd available online only
for vanagon list subscribers.  Is there any way to limit access to list
subscribers?  One would think such availability would, overall, give VW a
little more business in new parts.  Even if we all sometimes used the info
to order from other vendors, we would often enough order from our local VW
dealers.  Someone has probably already thought of this with more
refinement - but I am relatively new to the List.

Jim Creech

> I would say that a certain double standard exists.  The EKTA CD is not
available to the public domain, and it is not being sold to the public as a
viable business.  In other words, even if you wanted to, you can't go out
and buy a copy.  It is for the use of VW dealers, not the public.  I don't
have a copy of the EKTA, but in my own little ethical world, that is why I
wouldn't have a problem violating that copyright law.  The same can be said
for the VW Pro Training manuals.  You can't buy them, and they weren't
originally "sold".  Bentley is available in the public domain, is being sold
as a viable business.  Copying it not only violates what ever applicable
laws there are, but is also hurting someone's business, livelihood, and the
investment that was made to author it.
> That's my take... Keith Adams
>
> > May I be the first to raise this...?  Seeing as a lot of us fell over
ourselves to get a copy of the EKTA cd downloaded and burned, copywrite
notwithstanding, what are chance of someone posting a copy of the new
Bentley cd online for public consumption?  Or do we on the list have a
double standard?   Alistair Bell