I'm sure you're right.   I said it was probably a naive idea.  I have no
experience with VW as you do, and I respect your insight and experience.
What I was suggesting though was not an infringement or exception to their
copyright, but full legal permission granted for one group (the List),
actually a group of customers, to be able more easily to purchase THEIR
products.  But I suspect you are entirely correct in your assessment.  I did
hope a few members more wise than I might think of some way to render this
possibility attractive to VW as well as helpful to us.

Jim Creech
whose wife always accused him of being a dreamer and optimist

----- Original Message -----
From: The Bus Depot <ron@NETCARRIER.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Bentley CD

> > but what if - as an entire List - we approached the
> > right VW magnate and suggested they make the EKTA cd available online
only
> > for vanagon list subscribers
>
>
> You do not appreciate how VW works. You would have absolutely zero chance
of
> convincing them to allow you to do this. Believe me, you would not find a
> sympathetic ear.  Far from allowing access to proprietary copyrighted
> information, Volkswagen has actually been known to go after enthusiasts
and
> clubs simply for infringing on their logos. You are not dealing with a
small
> company or a group of enthusiasts here, but a huge international
corporation
> that vigorously defends its copyrights without making exceptions for small
> clubs or groups of people. All you would succeed in doing is to draw
> attention to the fact that some listmembers have pirated copies, a
situation
> which they would most certainly bring to the attention of their legal
team,
> which actively polices violation of their copyrights.
>
> - Ron Salmon
>   The Bus Depot, Inc.
>   www.busdepot.com
>   (215) 234-VWVW