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Subject:Re: Follow up on hacking incident
From:mike miller
Date:Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:38:35 -0800

If he were a true 'good guy' he would have told what could be done, then given the fix first.  As a sales technique it not only sounds like 'protection' as in 'protection racket', it is.

JMO

Mike
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KENWILFY@AOL.COM 
  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:09 AM
  Subject: Follow up on hacking incident

  Well, perhaps I over reacted a little yesterday about the obvious hack of our 
  group website.  I am not used to this new wave of "pro-active" internet 
  security (ie hack into a site to show people how easy it is before someone 
  malicous does it).  Anyway the guy who did it does seem to be a decent 
  fellow.  Here is a copy of the correspondence we had from the time I 
  initially found the problem to today.  I guess I still have alot to learn 
  about the net.  Please read all the way to the end to get the full story. 

  Subj: Hacking Vanagon.com is not Cool! 
  Date: 12/12/2000 5:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time 
  From: KENWILFY 
  To: hiking@triple2u.com 

  Dear hacker person, I don't understand why you want to try to hack into a 
  non-commerical website that is for enthusiasts.  We aren't selling anything 
  and people who use this site are going to be more angry at you than 
  impressed.  I mean it is not like the site is fort knox or anything, it is 
  just a hobby site with minimal protection.  If you think you are hot stuff 
  for hacking a wimpy page then you have another think coming.  I hope you 
  enjoy your moment of glory because when 800 plus members of the group start 
  hate mailing you on a daily basis for months at a time, you are going to wish 
  you were never born.  Oh, did I forget to mention that many of them are also 
  hackers as well.  Hope you sleep well at night. 

  Ken Wilford 

  Subj: RE: Hacking Vanagon.com is not Cool! 
  Date: 12/13/2000 3:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time 
  From:    hiking@triple2u.com 
  To:    KENWILFY@aol.com 

  dear ken 

  i will sleep well thank you 

  but i will fix your site tomorrow, sorry for what i did 

  and i will be glad if your friend (hacker), teach me how to hack 
  because i am not hacker iam only testing security 

  best regards 
  hiking 

  Subj: Re: Hacking Vanagon.com is not Cool! 
  Date: 12/13/2000 8:25:48 AM Eastern Standard Time 
  From: KENWILFY 
  To: hiking@triple2u.com 

  Listen sorry about the hateful post.  I was angry that the site was down when 
  I wanted to view something on it.  I guess you were trying to do us a favor 
  by showing us the site is vulnerable.  My suggestion is that you explain this 
  in more detail the next time you do something like this.  It could avoid 
  mis-understandings. 

  Thanks, 
  Ken Wilford 

  Subj: RE: Re: Hacking Vanagon.com is not Cool! 
  Date: 12/13/2000 9:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time 
  From:    hiking@triple2u.com 
  To:    KENWILFY@aol.com 

  ken 
  thank you for understand 
  ya i just want showing the site is vulnerable 

  oh ya pls tell to the admin to patch the hole 
  get the patch from microsoft 
  tell to admin 
  to get MS00-078 patch 

  best regards 

  hiking 

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