<html><DIV>
<P>So both Fed Ex and UPS charge canadians extra when they receive something from the US, but not USPS??? Is that the story in this thread? But the reverse isn't true??? <BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "1980 VW Westfalia \"Pokey\"" <POKEY@VANAGON.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "1980 VW Westfalia \"Pokey\"" <POKEY@VANAGON.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: UPS shipping
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:34:11 -0500
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Dan, for the record I jumped into this because the thread turned to UPS, who
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I hate. I have nothing to say about this Bus Depot mirror packaging thing
<DIV></DIV>&gt;because I wasn't there and I don't know the details. This rant was from my
<DIV></DIV>&gt;personal experience with UPS.
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;If a VW vendor told me that I had to pay an additional 10% to 50% of the
<DIV></DIV>&gt;value of my item (over and above additional shipping cost) because he was
<DIV></DIV>&gt;sending the part to Canada I would flame them with equal fervour.
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;UPS levies this charge AFTER the package has been sent. The original sender
<DIV></DIV>&gt;has no idea it is being charged and if you want your package you have to pay
<DIV></DIV>&gt;it, it is EXTORTION.
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;ISN"T IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO WARN CANADIANS ON THIS LIST THAT THE METHOD
<DIV></DIV>&gt;OF SHIPMENT THEY CHOOSE COULD COST THEM AND ADDITIONAL 10% TO %)% OF THE
<DIV></DIV>&gt;COST OF THIER ITEM?
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;If there were two vendors on this list and one had prices that were 10% to
<DIV></DIV>&gt;50% higher (all else equal) wouldn't everyone on the list be saying to buy
<DIV></DIV>&gt;from the cheaper vendor? Isn't this ALREADY happening when we buy from list
<DIV></DIV>&gt;vendors instead of VW dealers?
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;This list is a forum for members to help each other... by saving my fellow
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Canadian listees money that is what I am doing.
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Thanks,
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Chris Gronski
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Toronto, Ontario,
<DIV></DIV>&gt;'80 Westy "Pokey" - SLOPOKEY
<DIV></DIV>&gt;'87 Chevrolet Sprint - Ice Racer
<DIV></DIV>&gt;'91 Pontiac Firefly - Convertible
<DIV></DIV>&gt;www.vanagon.org &amp; .ca
<DIV></DIV>&gt;www.gronski.com, .org, &amp; .ca
<DIV></DIV>&gt;www.nineeleven.org &amp; .ca
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Daniel Danrich" <DANRICH@CCMAUI.NET>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <VANAGON@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:01 AM
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: UPS shipping
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I don't understand, why is it OK to slander UPS or USPS or FedEx but when
<DIV></DIV>&gt;we
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; complain about a VW vender everybody gets defensive ? This thread went
<DIV></DIV>&gt;from
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; poor packaging to this long thread about shipping companies with no
<DIV></DIV>&gt;problem
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in flaming them? Is it OK because there so big and our beloved VW vendor
<DIV></DIV>&gt;are
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; so small?
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Dan
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Of Lawrence Johnson
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:38 AM
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: UPS shipping
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; gary2a@TELUSPLANET.NET wrote:
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; There is one thing all Canadians should watch with UPS when getting
<DIV></DIV>&gt;stuff
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; from the states and that is the famous UPS brokerage fees. A $500 US
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; order
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; costs about another $45 US in brokerage fees, plus gst on the value.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; In my case UPS also collected the 8% PST for the Ontario Government. They
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; are
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; under no legal compulsion to do so - just coercion.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; The post office charges a flat $5 CDN for all shipments.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; And the post office does NOT collect the 8% PST.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; If I can keep just one Listmember from being ripped off by UPS, I won't
<DIV></DIV>&gt;feel
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; so
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; bad about what they are doing to me. -Larry
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html>