There is a refrigerant made of a butane blend.  Very flammable!
When R-12 went through the roof price wise this blend was sold as an
alternative.
It is dangerous when it leaks out in a closed space (garage).  Many
conversions using it were not properly labeled.  This made it dangerous to
unsuspecting owners and service technicians.
EAP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Dooley" <pdooley@GTE.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: AC Freon

> I don't know the answer either, just seems like hysteria.  Why would
> refrigerator R12 be flammable?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> > Of Aaron Gibson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:36 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: AC Freon
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Flammable? R12 is R12 no difference between auto or appliance. Its the
> > oil that will burn not the freon.
> >
> > Chris DeLong wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a warning refrigerant from appliances is extremely flammable.
I
> > > would NEVER put it in my car or van. There is a reason R12 is
> > no longer used
> > > and furthermore there is a reason that automotive refrigerant is
> > > specifically just for automotive use.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Or you can be illegally resourceful.
> > > >I bought a vacuum pump and recovery tank from a pawn shop for $45.
> > > >Gauges were another 30.
> > > >A friend gave me a old rusted out refrigerator that had a good
> > charge of
> > > >R-12 in it.
> > > >A piercing tap on the copper line and the recovery tank hooked
> > up drained
> > > >it
> > > >nicely.
> > > >This went directly into my Audi, which blows cold air once again...
> > > >
> > > >Note: this has been a hypothetical story to entertain the list
> > and I in no
> > > >way did or took part in any of the above actions.
> > > >Ah Hmm.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List
> > [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> > > > > Of Mark Mages
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:36 PM
> > > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > > Subject: Re: AC Freon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hehehe - surely you aren't serious.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can even get freon (very illegal unless you are
> > > > > a certified mechanic) you need a recovery tank, and a
> > > > > bunch of other $$$ equipment to do it correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since 1991, you only option is pretty much to go to a
> > > > > mechanic, and pay exorbitantly high fees to have your
> > > > > AC system recharged.  I have never had work done on
> > > > > the AC system where it cost less than $500.  They
> > > > > always find a 'problem' with the drier, evaporator,
> > > > > clamps, hoses....
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless you live where it is very hot, I wouldn't even
> > > > > bother.  a totally rebuilt Westy AC system barely kept
> > > > > my vanagon bareable in the Houston summers, and it
> > > > > sucked so much power from the engine I got in the
> > > > > habit of driving around in my boxers and drinking a
> > > > > lot of AquaFina.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my .02
> > > > > Mark
> > > > > --- timnew <timnew@PACBELL.NET> wrote:
> > > > > > I want to put some AC freon in my 86 GL.  I've never
> > > > > > done this before.  What
> > > > > > kind of freon do I need? what other equipment might
> > > > > > I need? where do I
> > > > > > install the freon?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > 86 GL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > Mark
> > > > > Music is the soundtrack to the Low Budget B-movie that is my life.
> > > > >
> > > > > 87 Westfalia Gl
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