

| Subject: | Re: Transmission FAQ From Germany Machine Translated |
| From: | mike miller |
| Date: | Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:09:08 -0800 |
Maybe the guy's pen name was Immanuel Kant? Mike almost Friday, almost. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Transmission FAQ From Germany Machine Translated > That's one Hell of a paragraph, ain't it? > > Karl Wolz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Drew" <derekdrew@RCN.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:57 PM > Subject: Transmission FAQ From Germany Machine Translated > > > There is valuable stuff in here. If you have an interest in this subject > matter, grit your teeth through the machine translation and read on. > > The author is jenssyncro16 who does not appear to speak English that I can > tell but he is obviously highly advanced in observations and thinking on > this topic. > > Fundamental to the manual gearbox of the Volkswagen bus T3 with special > consideration of foreign engines in the T3 Here I would like to give times > something to the gearbox of the T3 of me, whereby I would like myself to > limit to the gearboxes for water-cooled engines The versions are made not > for machine-builders and do not come also from such. Possible > carelessnesses in the mode of expression one may forgive me thus. If > however wrong circumstances emerge here, I ask urgently for adjustment! > Design: 4 or 5-Gang 2-Wellen-Wechselgetriebe with integrated final drive. > Types: I would divide the T3 gearboxes into three groups (independently of > the engine): - 4-Gang-Getriebe - 5-Gang-Getriebe - syncro gearboxes Body: > By the integrated final drive the gearbox has in principle three different > sections: 1. Clutch housing, sometimes also clutch bell called this part of > the gearbox is identically and freely exchangeable with 4 -, 5-Gang and > syncro gearbox (nearly). With syncro little things are differently, > nevertheless fit all bells alternately on all gearboxes. This the engine > turned part contains the engine flywheel with clutch plate and friction > disk, as well as the disengaging mechanism. In addition outside still the > starter button at the clutch bell, which is positioned by means of > solenoids on the large gear rim of the engine flywheel the clutch housing > is logical-proves to the engine " openly, sits " and does not run in the > oil bath. If one puts such a dismounted gearbox before itself, one sees > also only the long getriebeeingangswelle, which in the installed condition > into (hollow) the crankshaft of the engine rises up, and which clutch > disengaging mechanism with clutch release sleeve (or also without > bearings). The clutch bell is screwed with 10 (?) screws onto the other > gear-box. Since behind it the oil-immersed part begins, one should remove > these only after discharging the transmission oil. If only the bell is to > be exchanged, one can place the gearbox also simply vertically and exchange > the bell, then the oil can in it-remain. There are three different clutch > bells for the T3 gearbox: - suitably for Volkswagen Wasserboxer (and > Luftboxer) - for VW Reihen-4-Zylinder Diesel, also for Reihen-4-Zylinder > Benziner - suitably for VW/Audi-5-Zylinder-Benziner, also for > Reihen-5-Zylinder Diesel the latter bell is sold by VW exclusively in South > Africa! To the operation of other engines (Ford, BMW, etc..) expanders are > necessary. 2. Final drive Behind the clutch bell is the case of the final > drive with the differential. It concerns here a winkeltrieb, whereby the > small pinion (there are pinions with 6 and 7 teeth, which are not by any > means exchangeable however also with same number of teeth) at the gearbox > output wave sits firmly. The differential sits as it were crosswise in the > gear-box and contains the large pinion and the actual differential basket > with differential gear. With syncro there are special differentials with > 100%-Sperrklauen. With the 2WD sometimes so-called closing differentials > (max. 30% locking action over friction) were installed. At this > gehaeuseteil are then logical-prove also the flanges, where the drive > shafts are bolted on. The getriebeeingangswelle is divided in this case, so > that one releases here these and the front part, which reaches up to the > engine crankshaft, exchange could. The front parts of the entrance shaft > differ in the case of Diesel and fuel he gearboxes according to the length > of the front pin, which runs at the pilot bearing. There are very many > serial transmissions, which were always adapted to the respective engine > and the targeted application by VW. Suction Diesels (in the 2WD) have the > shortest, ever built transmission, some WBX (e.g. 60 HP WBX!!! and 112 HP > WBX) the longest. The longest oh transmission supplyable of VW is 32:7 (= > 4.571). Oh transmissions are exchangeable within the 4-Gang -, 5-Gang and > syncro gearboxes freely, however not between the groups! A final drive of > syncro does not fit in a 5-Gang-Getriebe etc.. Different oh transmissions > of the 5-Gang-Getrieben are however freely exchangeable. This is connected > with the fact that the small pinion is firmly connected with the output > wave and the shafts are at the 3 groups differently. The renewing of a > final drive unfortunately causes the complete dismantling of the gearbox. > 3. Change speed gear After the final drive begins the actual change speed > gear, which is vollsyncronisiert in the case of all T3 gearboxes. The > design in principle is alike with all gearboxes. On the shafts are > so-called fixed gears and lot gears. All gears are constant in the > interference. During the gearshift selection a connection of the respective > lot gear with the shaft is only manufactured. The fixed gears of 1. and 2. > Gear are actually no gears, but they form a unit with the > getriebeeingangswelle (at least with syncro and 4-Gang). By some > characteristics of the individual building groups, the gears 1 and 2 are > exchangeable and/or with the 5-Gang-Getriebe the gears 1 to 3 only within > the series. Both the 5-Gang and the syncro gearbox are derived from the > 4-Gang-Getriebe! Thus the gears 4 and 5 of the 5-Gang-Getriebe correspond > constructionally 3. and 4. Gear of the syncro and 4-Gang-Getriebe. By this > circumstance the gear mating of the gears 3 and 4 (and/or 4 and 5) is > freely exchangeable between all three gear construction rows! For the last > gear (thus 4. or 5., depending on series) VW manufactured four > transmissions: 41:48 (= 0.854) were built built in 4-Gang and syncro > gearboxes for WBX 40:49 (= 0.816) exclusively into 5-Gang-Getrieben block > 39:50 (= 0.780) in 4-Gang and syncro gearboxes for Diesels, very rare (at > least as production item) also times in 5-Gang-Getrieben to find? (0,76) > this transmission gave it with 4-Gang-Dieselgetrieben, it is however no > longer supplyable! 4. What happens with use of foreign engines? The basic > construction of the T3 gearbox decreases/goes back actually already to the > all first beetle gearbox of 1936! Thus this gearbox drags many > constructional lack until today with itself, which cannot be repaired > unfortunately also. The strongest ever built serienmotor was the 2,1l WBX > with 82 kW/112 HP, engine identification letter DJ. this engine brings it > on a maximum torque of 176 nm. The serial T3 gearbox is > expenditure-provoked with this torque to to its power limit! Each further > increase of the max. Torque (those max. Engine performance is here less > importantly) durability will shorten. In the case of very strong foreign > engines durability knows even only few minutes amounts to the following > components to suffer with high torques frequently rash death: - the double > taper roller bearing of the gearbox output wave - the gears of 4. (and/or > 5.) Gear. With GET down copies of the TDI engines with torques to 280 nm > can the 4. (5.) gear after few kilometers tooth failure have - the gears of > the final drive - the needle bearing cages of the lot gears (happens rather > at high numbers of revolutions, thus rather with strong petrol engines) > There are still many further problem places, that here is however in > accordance with my modest opinion the most important. Remedy by Volkswagen > production items: With VW OF South Africa becomes serial a 5-cylinder > engine with 136 HP and a max. Torque of 200 nm in the T3 blocks. Since with > beginning of this series the German gearboxes died rashly, some small > modifications one accomplished. The most important change was the > installation of two oil returning plates, which in the operation for an > additional oiling of the final drive with double taper roller bearing and > 5. Gear ensure. These oil returning plates can be re-tooled with each > German gearbox! In addition became the needle bearing for the lot gear of > 5. Gear and 1. Gear changed. Indeed the old bearing to Bj. was again > introduced 1984. Apparent the plastic cage of the old bearing is more > resistant to high temperatures. Furthermore oil oil grooves were > temporarily trained in the gearbox output shaft, in order the needle > bearings of the lot gears better to lubricate and also more oils to the > double taper roller bearing bring. However current gearboxes from South > Africa are not to already have these oil oil grooves no more, them seem > thus not to have worked satisfactorily. So completely exactly I do not know > it however. With these modifications the current South Africa gearbox holds > the torque from the 5-cylinder engine (200 nm). Further increases are > wohl.aber no longer possible, since VW does not offer stronger engines to > OF SA. Remedy by Custom parts: Some offerers developed special gears, which > are to tolerate high torques. Unfortunately these gear sets do not release > the other problem areas, so that also with installation of high-strength > gears no safety is given concerning the durability. Thereby however the > tooth failure is nevertheless prevented Unfortunately there are no secured > realizations, what bears the T3 gearbox maximum. It seems safe to be only > that with use of engines with max. Torques over 200 nm will suffer the > durability. The gearbox will hold, probably none is able to predict, it > depends too much of individual efficient operation. Who constantly uses the > performance of a strong foreign engine fully, must count evenly on > premature Exitus of the gearbox. Characteristics of the TDI engines: TDI > engines (particularly however the 4-Zylinder-Baureihe) load the gearbox > particularly strongly. By torsional vibrations and by the brachiale torque > with very low engine speeds (AFN engine: 235 nm with 1900 rpm) are very > highly stressed all components. Here the use of high-strength gears is > worthwhile itself particularly. Also the use of the two-frame flywheel is > recommended. This ZMS smoothes the occurring torque points (to 600 nm are > possible) when engaging the clutch and winding the engine up. > Characteristics in the case of strong fuel foreign engines: Since petrol > engines have mostly a high rated speed (up to 6500 rpm), other loads occur > at the T3 gearbox. Here then frequently overheating damage is to be clamped > after longer trips with high speed. Thus e.g. the plastic bearing cages of > the lot gears melt. In addition the hardness layer of the gears is > destroyed with transmission oil temperatures over 120 �C. Thus pitting > effect and tooth failure occur. Adjustment of the transmission at foreign > engines with production items: Nomalerweise are adapted gearboxes by the oh > transmission. Heavy vehicles with winding up or very weak engines obtain > short oh transmissions. Depending upon rated speed of the engine and the > relationship of the driving resistance of the vehicle which can be expected > to the performance of the engine the suitable oh transmission must be > selected. A 1,9l TDI with 81 kW/235 nm takes therefore a longer > transmission than a 1,6l TD with 51 kw/138 nm. The total transmission > consists of the rolling circumference of the tires, the oh transmission and > the respective drill step transmission. The number of conceivable > combinations is nearly endless, for the operation from TDI engines is > however only " is enough " for transmissions of interest. The longest, ever > series gearbox for 2WD, blocked in German T3, has the oh transmission 32:7 > and the 5. Gear 40:49. Unfortunately this is only for alpine inhabitants of > interest (mountain transmission). Since modifications are meaningful for > the improvement of the durability anyway, one could on the 5. Gear 39:50 > reequip. A gearbox in such a way reequipped (built as said, never in > series) hands then for the operation of a 66 KW TDI. it then there is still > a little short, can one by tires with larger rolling circumference (e.g. > 205R14) help here. With the AFN-TDI (81 KW) one must still to be broken in > be able. I attached individual example transmissions times as chart and > diagram. (only in the final version) 5. Adjustment of the transmission at > foreign engines with Custom parts: Two ways are possible also here! 1. > other ganguebersetzungen: At the related accessory market the up to now > following ganguebersetzungen exist: 5.Gang 39:50 (= 0.780) in strengthened > version. Here series gears are improved by glass bead jets in their surface > finish. These gears are sufficient for the 66 KW TDI, the border might with > the 81kW TDI lie. 5. Gear 33:23 (= 0.697) these gears are up to 300 nm to > tolerate. 4. Gear (and/or 3. Gear with 4-Gang-und syncro gearboxes) 28:29 > (= 1.035) as addition of the above 5.Gang with same characteristics > Unfortunately has the employment of " is enough " for gear mating for the > 5. Gear (thus e.g. o.b. For transmission 0.697) with simultaneous rel. oh > transmissions (thus e.g. 32:7) are enough the disadvantage that the jumps > between the drill steps become very large. So it can be e.g. that one > settles and in the next higher gear with under 2000 rpm lands the switching > point with 4200 rpm. That can be done in the level still well, with use of > trailer or at the mountain cannot one however no more up shift! Therefore > also the offer " suitable " 4. Gear. I personally feel the jumps then still > too largely, but there one can argue (see also diagrams) 2. other oh > transmission at present the following oh transmission for 5-Gang-Getriebe > is offered: 29:7 (= 4.143) With installation of this oh transmission can > still the 5. Gear completely as desired between the three transmissions > supplyable of VW to be selected. Optimal adjustment to various foreign > engines is hereby possible. Also the AFN engine would be hereby very well > mobile (see also diagrams) A combination with that completely are enough > Custom transmissions 5. Gear is not meaningful, that becomes much too long. > So people, that times as the further addition of the problems, which one > in-acts in such a way with installation of a foreign engine I can show the > diagrams only with the final version, since I provided her on Excel and I > cannot convert it in HTML. Ask for numerous criticism Greetings Jens. > > > _______________________________________________ > Derek Drew New York, NY > CEO & Co-Founder > http://www.ConsumerSearch.com/ > =========================== > "Best Expert Review Site" > for product reviews on the Internet > Jan. 2001, PC World Magazine > ========================== > 80 South Street, 2nd Floor > New York, NY 10038 > derekdrew@rcn.com > 212-580-6486 > > Alternate numbers for the industrious phone caller that wants to try every > avenue: 917-848-6425 (cell); 202-966-7907 (Work), 212-580-4459 (Home), > 202-966-0938 (Home), 978-359-8533 (fax [efax]), 212-269-3188 (Seaport > office), 212-269-3188 (Seaport main number). >
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