| Subject: | Re: Was: Middle Seat Shoulder Belts (LONG) |
| From: | �ric Giroux |
| Date: | Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:55:01 -0400 |
In fact the tech bulletin files were right on Gerry.....see below:
FYI it DOES include campers, rear-right only (obviously...)
At 03:28 PM 19/07/2001, �ric Giroux wrote:
>Folks,
>I suspect the tech bulletins to be:
>V689103 REAR 3-POINT SEAT BELTS, RETROFIT INSTAL
> or
>V689104 AUTO 3PNT LFT CNTR SEAT-BELT RETROFIT IN
>This is from http://www.vw.ddsltd.com/, with a search on Vanagon with
>'belt' keyword.
>Since this is tech bulletin, NOT recall, I expect this to be at cost...
>�ric
from Service Bulletins, Model Year 1991
.......................................................................
Technical Information
Group: 68
Number: 91-02
Date: April 30, 1991
Subject: Automatic Rear 3-Point Seat Belts, Retrofit Installation
Model(s): Vanagon, 1980-1989 Model Years
Vanagon Camper/Multivan (right rear only),
1980-1989 Model Years
AUTOMATIC REAR 3-POINT SEAT BELTS, RETROFIT INSTALLATION
**********************************************************************
* CAUTION *
* Part numbers are for reference only. Always check with your Parts *
* Department for latest information. *
**********************************************************************
PARTS REQUIRED
Part Number Description Quantity
------------ ----------------------------------- --------
253 857 815D Rear 3-point seat belt (left side) 1
253 857 816D Rear 3-point seat belt (right side) 1
NOTE
Check with your Parts Department for additional installation parts.
Not all parts listed may be applicable to all vehicles.
* remove rear seat bottom
* remove existing 2-point left/right side lap belt
* remove rear floor carpet
* remove right rear luggage area trim panel
* mark and cut rear luggage area trim panel using dimensions as shown
on Page 3
* locate, by feel, threaded hole under D-pillar trim (arrow)
<arrow seems to indicate a point on the D-pillar about six inches
above the lower trim panels, and about 1-2 inches from the forward
(front) edge of the D-pillar>
* cut hole in trim to expose threaded bolt hole
* using bolts (2), mount retractor assembly (1), to side panel (3)
-> 40 Nm (30 ft lb)
<behind the luggage area trim panel, it shows three bolt holes along
the bottom edge of the metal of the body. the retractor assembly
fits BEHIND the metal, and the bolts pass THROUGH the metal into the
retractor assembly>
* install belt through cut hole in trim panel
* mount upper belt guide onto D-pillar
-> 40 NM (30 ft lb)
<the bolt for the upper belt guide goes into the hole you felt for
behind the trim of the D-pillar>
* install belt anchor (arrow) to original lap belt anchor point
-> 40 Nm (30 ft lb)
* reinstall right rear luggage area trim panel
* repeat procedure for left side belt assembly, noting to reverse
dimensions accordingly
* reinstall all other components in reverse order
* check rear 3-point belts for proper function
---------------------------------------------------
Automatic rear 3-point | | | |
seat belts, retrofit | | | |
installation | Diag. | | Quality |
(one side only) | Check | Repair | Check |
---------------------------------------------------
Labor Op. 6876312 | -- | 120 T.U.| -- |
---------------------------------------------------
<which seems to say that the vw dealer will charge you two hours labor
plus parts>
DIAGRAM
<-Front of vehicle Top
Luggage area trim panel
/-------------------------------------------------\
/ 203mm 210mm \
/ (8in) <71mm> (8-1/4in) \
/ ______ ________<-------- 403mm --> \
/ 38mm | hole | (15-7/8in) \
/ ______ |______| \
/ |
/ |<-149mm-->| |
/ | (5-7/8in)| |
/ |----------|-- |
/ | | 32mm (1-1/4in) ______|
/---------------------------------| |---------------|
|<------- 569mm (22-3/8in)------->|
........................................ end ...........................
that is, the dimensions of the hole are 71mm x 38mm (2-13/16in x
1-1/2in). but the front edge of the hole is 203mm (8in) below the top
edge of of the luggage area trim panel, while the rear edge of the hole
is 210 mm (8-1/4in) from that same edge. the hole is slightly tilted.
the notch is cut in the bottom to accomodate those three bolts that
hold the retractor assembly to the metal of the body.
also notice that this does NOT say anything about those 1986-1989
vanagons with air conditioning. the upper belt guide attachment point
will be behind the air conditioning housing that runs vertically over
the D-pillar. so you would have to cut a hold in the plastic a/c
housing to pass the belt through. (it helps to look at a 1990 or 1991
model, to see how the factory installation looks). in order to prevent
damage to the belt, the little plastic edging (that covers the edges
of the hole in the a/c housing) will have to be installed.
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from Service Bulletins, Model Year 1991
.......................................................................
Technical Information
Group: 68
Number: 91-04
Date: April 30, 1991
Subject: Automatic 3-Point Left Center Seat Belt, Retrofit Installation
Model(s): All Vanagon w/ center seat, EXCEPT Camper/Multivan
1980-1989 Model Years
AUTOMATIC 3-POINT LEFT CENTER SEAT BELT, RETROFIT INSTALLATION
**********************************************************************
* CAUTION *
* Part numbers are for reference only. Always check with your Parts *
* Department for latest information. *
**********************************************************************
PARTS REQUIRED
Part Number Description Quantity
------------ ----------------------------------- --------
253 857 811D 3-point seat belt (left side) 1
NOTE
Check with your Parts Department for additional installation parts.
* remove rear seat back
* remove rear seat bottom
* remove original left center belt
* remove rear left side panel trim
<this is the triangular trim panel just below the forward edge of
the rearmost left side window>
* measure location of belt retractor, belt guide, and mounting holes,
using dimensions on page 3
* cut panel as required
* reinstall trim panel
* install seat belt retractor on outside of panel, as shown
-> 40 Nm (30 ft lb)
-> hand tighten forward bolt only
* locate, by feel, threaded hole in C-pillar (arrow) for belt guide
D-ring
<diagram seems to indicate a point about 5-6 inches from the top
edge of the side windows, in the middle of the C-pillar>
* cut C-Pillar trim from threaded hole, install belt guide D-ring
-> 40 Nm (30 ft lb)
* install anchor of 3-point belt into forward mounting hole of
retractor bracket (arrow A)
-> 40 Nm (30 ft lb)
<diagram shows this to be at the very bottom front edge of the
trim panel, almost at the floor level>
* align bracket for betls, reinstall rear seat bottom and belts
* reinstall rear seatback
* install new buckle for 3-point belt
* check seat belt for proper function
---------------------------------------------------
Automatic left center | | | |
3-point seat belt, | | | |
retrofit installation | Diag. | | Quality |
(left side only) | Check | Repair | Check |
---------------------------------------------------
Labor Op. 6876311 | -- | 150 T.U.| -- |
---------------------------------------------------
<which seems to say that the vw dealer will charge you two and one half
hours labor plus parts.>
DIAGRAM
Top Front of Vehicle -->
Rear Left side trim panel
-------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
|
_________ _________________|__________
| 67mm | | 38mm
|(2-5/8in)| | (1-1/2in)
\ |_________|_________________|_____:________
\ | .
\ < 102mm > | .
>\ 31mm< hole (4in) | .
---\-- () 22mm __________ _______._ | 442mm
. \ . | | . | (17-3/8in)
. \ . | 118mm | 327mm | .
. \ | (4-5/8in)| (12-7/8in) | .
. \ _._|__________|._ . | .
. \ . . . | .
. \ . . . ()--------.--(hole 22mm)
. \ 245mm 216mm . > 31mm|< . (7/8in)
298mm \ (9-5/8in) (8-1/2in) . | . .
(11-3/4in) \ . . . | 203mm .
. \ . . . | (8-1/8in) .
. \ . . . | . .
.____________ \_._____________.______.__________| ___._______._
........................................ end ...........................
that is, the dimension of the bottom hole is 118mm x 102mm (4-5/8in x
4in). but the front edge of the hole is 216mm (8-1/2in) above the
bottom edge of the trim panel, while the rear edge of the hole is
245mm (9-5/8in) from that same edge. that is, the hole is slightly
tilted. the upper hole is 67mm x 38mm (2-5/8in x 1-1/2in) and appears
also to be slightly tilted. the upper hole has its bottom front edge
442mm (17-3/8in) from the bottom edge of the trim panel.
notice that the instructions do NOT say anything about those two 22mm
(7/8in) holes. both are 31mm (1-1/4in) from the closest edge of the trim
panel. the lower of the two is 203mm (8-1/8in) from the bottom edge,
while the upper of the two holes is 298mm (11-3/4in) above that same
bottom edge.
i have no idea what those holes are supposed to be used for.
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