At 2:55 PM -0600 10/1/01, DrCory wrote:
>OH PLEASE! Lets get a little rational...
>No monetary system has done as much to forward the good of mankind than
>'capitalism'  The very fact we have VW Vans (mandatory content) to drive
>around in is a result of 'capitalism'  And all governments cannot be cast
>as equivalent!  Democracy has done more to raise people to equality than
>any other form of government known to mankind.
>
>>Only thing I strongly disagree with is the 'capitalist government'.
>>Doesn't matter what they brand themselves, they're all politicians, and not
>  >even in the good [relatively speaking] sense.  Scumbags.

Ok ok ok.  I really don't want to get dragged into this (but here I
go), but as a somewhat rational Vanagon driver (ObVanagon) and
researcher with a weakness for systems approaches and simulation
modeling, may I suggest that war-hawks and doves alike interested in
the "no flag" thread have a look at the simulation model and
discussion contained in this admittedly simple but interesting model:

http://www.hps-inc.com/Terrorism_Story_Download.asp

Just trying to be a little constructive and move the content of
discourse forward a bit.  Apologies to Gerry, gerry, and Tom.

Simulation models for vanagon mechanical failure frequency, anyone?  ;-)

<back to lurking>

T.

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