Patrick, Tim, anyone else -

Wrong forum.

I don't think we really need to discuss this here.  I can see it getting way
out of hand real fast.

I'd like to keep the few friends that I have, so I don't discuss politics
with them!

Karl Wolz

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrick paul clerkin" <clerkin@STUDENTS.UIUC.EDU>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [F] Flying pigs

> I see nothing closed minded about his attitude and everything about yours.
> I am so sick of hearing crap like this in a time when our country needs
> to truly have open thinking.  Afghanistan has done plenty to merit this
attack.
> We were attacked! We have every right to try and punish those responsible.
>
> /Patrick
>
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Aristotle Sagan wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you should take your closed minded attitudes to somewhere where
the
> > people in charge have the right to determine your thoughts.
> > This person evolked a well thought out response, his feelings, of the
> > stupidity being taken by the United States against the Afgan peoples.
This
> > being a free country, what right do you have to question:
> > 1.) His patriotism because he disagrees (first amendment
don'tchaknow)...
> > 2.) His interpretation of the illegality of war acts (state sponsered
> > terrorism in my mind) by involking the war powers act on a country that
has
> > done nothing to provoke this response. And don't give me the Bin Laden
shit.
> > If it were the Isrealis, they would just go get them wouldn't they?
> > This is not the place for political forum and I apologize.
> >
> > And by the way.. the original post was in very bad taste and pretty
funny.
> >
> > tim in san jose.
> >
> >
> > >Perhaps you and your pakistani friend should recall that when the
United
> > >States is attacked, the President may enter into actions as he deems
fit as
> > >Commander In Chief. The War Powers Act of 1973 addresses this nicely.
> > >Formal
> > >declaration of war, which haven't been done since WWII is a
Congressional
> > >duty.
> > >
> > >If you are truly offended, maybe you should drive your Vanagon
(content) to
> > >a place more to your liking. If a country defending itself against
attack
> > >doesn't ring reasonable to you, not much probably will. We'd hate for
you
> > >to
> > >be unhappy.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jermide" <jermide@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:42 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [F] Flying pigs
> > >
> > >
> > > > After consulting with a Pakistani neighbor of mine and repeating
this
> > >joke,
> > > > he was somewhat offended by it. However, he is more offended by the
> > >bombing
> > > > of Afghanistan and our war without official declaration. I agree
with
> > >him
> > >on
> > > > both points.
> > > >
> > > > That said, it's one thing to joke about sensitive subjects with
personal
> > > > friends whose thoughts and positions you know well. On the other
hand, I
> > > > think it's rather inconsiderate to broadcast it openly in front of
> > > > strangers. I wouldn't call it racism, though.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Jeremy
> > > > 85 GL "Blau"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chris Stann" <ChrisS@INFORMS.COM>
> > > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [F] Flying pigs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I, along with a few idle co-workers, was able to come up with a
tactic
> > > > that
> > > > > should help our Afghanistan effort tremendously while keeping
> > >casualties,
> > > > as
> > > > > in dead people, down to a minimum.  We all know that it is
strictly
> > > > > forbidden in the Muslim world to think of, touch, or eat any pig
or
> > > > > pig-related meat products.  I suggested that we develop a
> > > > > genetically-engineered remotely-controlled radioactive flying pig,
> > >hoards
> > > > of
> > > > > them, and send them to Afghanistan.  The creatures would literally
> > >'buzz'
> > > > > the Afghani mosques and buildings, or huts, and explode at will.
This
> > > > would
> > > > > send pig meat flying for several hundred yards in all directions.
> > >Such
> > > > > tainted soil, homes, and people would immediately be proclaimed
> > >'unholy'
> > > > and
> > > > > 'desecrated' and unsuitable for use.  These pigs would have
> > >night-vision
> > > > > enhanced capabilities that would enable them to fly into those
caves
> > >where
> > > > > the Al Queda (sp?) soldiers are hiding.  When there, the pigs, or
> > >Peagles,
> > > > > as a cross between a pig and an eagle, would let out that
> > > > characteristically
> > > > > piggy, shrill sound and again, explode.  Surely, such
contamination
> > >would
> > > > > drive those rebels to suicide, immediate conversion, or, at least,
a
> > >bath
> > > > or
> > > > > two.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also in the works, the Bacon Amulet for our troops and a new
weapon to
> > > > > replace some of the smart bombs, the lard-balloon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris.
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S.  Patent Pending.
> > > > >
> > >
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