You are right.  Sorry about the post and the heated words.
/Patrick

On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Karl Wolz wrote:

> Patrick, Tim, anyone else -
>
> Wrong forum.
>
> I don't think we really need to discuss this here.  I can see it getting way
> out of hand real fast.
>
> I'd like to keep the few friends that I have, so I don't discuss politics
> with them!
>
> Karl Wolz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrick paul clerkin" <clerkin@STUDENTS.UIUC.EDU>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [F] Flying pigs
>
>
> > I see nothing closed minded about his attitude and everything about yours.
> > I am so sick of hearing crap like this in a time when our country needs
> > to truly have open thinking.  Afghanistan has done plenty to merit this
> attack.
> > We were attacked! We have every right to try and punish those responsible.
> >
> > /Patrick
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Aristotle Sagan wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps you should take your closed minded attitudes to somewhere where
> the
> > > people in charge have the right to determine your thoughts.
> > > This person evolked a well thought out response, his feelings, of the
> > > stupidity being taken by the United States against the Afgan peoples.
> This
> > > being a free country, what right do you have to question:
> > > 1.) His patriotism because he disagrees (first amendment
> don'tchaknow)...
> > > 2.) His interpretation of the illegality of war acts (state sponsered
> > > terrorism in my mind) by involking the war powers act on a country that
> has
> > > done nothing to provoke this response. And don't give me the Bin Laden
> shit.
> > > If it were the Isrealis, they would just go get them wouldn't they?
> > > This is not the place for political forum and I apologize.
> > >
> > > And by the way.. the original post was in very bad taste and pretty
> funny.
> > >
> > > tim in san jose.
> > >
> > >
> > > >Perhaps you and your pakistani friend should recall that when the
> United
> > > >States is attacked, the President may enter into actions as he deems
> fit as
> > > >Commander In Chief. The War Powers Act of 1973 addresses this nicely.
> > > >Formal
> > > >declaration of war, which haven't been done since WWII is a
> Congressional
> > > >duty.
> > > >
> > > >If you are truly offended, maybe you should drive your Vanagon
> (content) to
> > > >a place more to your liking. If a country defending itself against
> attack
> > > >doesn't ring reasonable to you, not much probably will. We'd hate for
> you
> > > >to
> > > >be unhappy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jermide" <jermide@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:42 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [F] Flying pigs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > After consulting with a Pakistani neighbor of mine and repeating
> this
> > > >joke,
> > > > > he was somewhat offended by it. However, he is more offended by the
> > > >bombing
> > > > > of Afghanistan and our war without official declaration. I agree
> with
> > > >him
> > > >on
> > > > > both points.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, it's one thing to joke about sensitive subjects with
> personal
> > > > > friends whose thoughts and positions you know well. On the other
> hand, I
> > > > > think it's rather inconsiderate to broadcast it openly in front of
> > > > > strangers. I wouldn't call it racism, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jeremy
> > > > > 85 GL "Blau"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Chris Stann" <ChrisS@INFORMS.COM>
> > > > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: [F] Flying pigs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I, along with a few idle co-workers, was able to come up with a
> tactic
> > > > > that
> > > > > > should help our Afghanistan effort tremendously while keeping
> > > >casualties,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > in dead people, down to a minimum.  We all know that it is
> strictly
> > > > > > forbidden in the Muslim world to think of, touch, or eat any pig
> or
> > > > > > pig-related meat products.  I suggested that we develop a
> > > > > > genetically-engineered remotely-controlled radioactive flying pig,
> > > >hoards
> > > > > of
> > > > > > them, and send them to Afghanistan.  The creatures would literally
> > > >'buzz'
> > > > > > the Afghani mosques and buildings, or huts, and explode at will.
> This
> > > > > would
> > > > > > send pig meat flying for several hundred yards in all directions.
> > > >Such
> > > > > > tainted soil, homes, and people would immediately be proclaimed
> > > >'unholy'
> > > > > and
> > > > > > 'desecrated' and unsuitable for use.  These pigs would have
> > > >night-vision
> > > > > > enhanced capabilities that would enable them to fly into those
> caves
> > > >where
> > > > > > the Al Queda (sp?) soldiers are hiding.  When there, the pigs, or
> > > >Peagles,
> > > > > > as a cross between a pig and an eagle, would let out that
> > > > > characteristically
> > > > > > piggy, shrill sound and again, explode.  Surely, such
> contamination
> > > >would
> > > > > > drive those rebels to suicide, immediate conversion, or, at least,
> a
> > > >bath
> > > > > or
> > > > > > two.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also in the works, the Bacon Amulet for our troops and a new
> weapon to
> > > > > > replace some of the smart bombs, the lard-balloon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P.S.  Patent Pending.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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