In a message dated 11/25/01 9:43:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
developtrust@HOME.COM writes:

<< As for foul language and up tight critical people who want us to goose step
 to rules, ...>>

So does that have anything to with pat�?I like foul as well by my last GF was 
a vegan. No, she didn't like Chevrolets.

<<... the language on this list is nothing compared to another list I am
 on (not vanagon related.) >>

That's why some of us aren't in those type of lists.

<< And recently--without rules-- two people were banned permanently for 
abusive messages. NOT because there were rules ....>>

So you are saying that majority rule is not a rule? Sounds to me like THAT 
list rules that unruly people who do not follow the unwritten rules of 
unruliness gets overruled and rolled out of the rolls. Hmmmmm... ouch, stop 
stepping on my geese.
 
<< Rules are good but foul language (at least in my case as a newcomer) is
 sometimes poetic license. I rarely cuss and almost never use "f" words and
 do not like it. ....  >>

You may have my poetic license. I simply use the words "Mike Miller" when I 
feel like writing something REALLY fowl. No clucks about it. The essence of 
free speech, (and you can develop trust with me on this) is that you do not 
interfere with the rights of others. I'm not saying that there is free speech 
on this list but some of us expect to be able to enjoy this community w/o 
being assaulted by words like chicken, turkey, cornish game hen, or even 
quail stepping.

Oh yeah for my Vanagon content pmail me for pics of the van I got Terry K's 
van step from. Front and rear are completely covered in fowl material. Also 
came with fake foul fouling in the inside. It's enough too make you wonder if 
this guy was tireD and feathered by his community for using excessive fowl 
language.

BenT
out of shape