

| Subject: | Re: A Snow Story (Whoa-vanagon!!!) and Lessons Learned |
| From: | Wayne Hagan |
| Date: | Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:44:02 -0800 |
Hi Steve, I'm hailing just south of you, Bellingham. Your story sends shivers down my spine, glad you made it! I have had to bail as I lost my old truck on a logging road and it's not something to re-experience. I have a '91 Syncro Westy, you know, 5500 lbs., diff lock, Goodrich AT tires, good traction stuff. This bus has demonstrated amazing traction, the only vehicle moving on our street in that storm 4 years ago, pulling a band new 4-runner out of a snow bank that I had no problem with, etc... except one thing... IMHO all vans suck compared to cars in directional stability. If the van gets spinning on ice, kiss it good bye. I would take my Audi or Jetta any day running at highway speeds over black ice, the van will tailspin and roll way before a car will. A fellow Auto Designer at work explained it this way, what's going to fly better through the air, (aerodynamics aside) an arrow or a brick? Interestingly enough, he brought this up because he was test driving a Jetta over a Fox and liked the Fox better for it's directional stability (i.e. center of gravity more forward). -Wayne > From: Steve Sullivan <steveis@SPEAKEASY.ORG> > Reply-To: Steve Sullivan <steveis@SPEAKEASY.ORG> > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:26:09 -0800 > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: A Snow Story (Whoa-vanagon!!!) and Lessons Learned > > Once Upon a Time, just last week. . . . > > . . . Two friends went snow camping north of Whistler, BC. With his fairly > new Michelin Agilis tires (Mud and Snow rated) our hero felt confident > driving the snowy road, though getting stuck twice on nearly flat parking > lots made him wonder. Wasn't his Westy supposed to be superior in snow and > ice because all the weight is over the drive axle? > > Then came New Years Day, almost their last. > > They were slowly coming down the steep 11% grade of the road to Lilloolet > when, starting to round a hairpin curve, the van suddenly started sliding > sideways! He hadn't even touched the brakes, had he? > > Before our hero could do anything the van was at the point of no return, > where the engine's weight would pull the van completely around and they'd > spin out of control (at a sedate 10 mph) toward either the concrete barrier > or a deep ditch! > ...etc
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