This whole thread reminds me of an unnamed bumper sticker.  To paraphrase:
If you don't like type 2s, don't buy one.
If you don't like vanagons, don't buy one.
If you don't like eurovans, dont' buy one.
Disagreement doesn't equal rejection.

Now, can we talk about toilet seats and griddles again?
tx,
bmc  :)
>> I loved my '76 bus and wish I had never sold it.
>> The '87 Westy Vanagon sucks.