Actually, "beer" is any fermented drink made primarily from malted grain and
seasoned with hops.  Lagers, ales, stouts are all styles of beer; many
people wrongly associate "beer" only with one style - lager is a beer, beer
isn't just lager.  Different styles are best enjoyed at different
temperatures - just like wine.  Ideal serving temperatures for U.S./N.Z./Oz
lagers: 45 degrees F; European lagers, all Dark lagers, wheat beers: 48;
regular British, Belgian ales and stouts: 55; strong Trappist ales, Barley
wine: 60.

Graham
90 GL auto CHC

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Andrew Grebneff
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:48 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: German engineering vs British electrics

>
>But I do know that the English:
>
>1.    drink their beer "warm";
>
>2.    "refrigerate" with  Lucas refrigerators.

You know, I'd never connected the two!

Noone in his right mind would drink beer WARM, but lots of Poms do...

>Interestingly enough, I just visitied a 'VW fan' forum.  This forum was
>perdominantly for air-cooled fanatics and a few threads were dedicated to
>the hate of the current, or newer, Volkswagens.  It's amazing, since most
of
>these self-qualified experts haven't driven a brand-new VW.  Granted, some
>of the posts were fueled by VWoA's recent crack-down on their copyrigthed
VW
>logo and name.  They seem to miss the fact that VW has made tremendous
>strides in built quality and chassis integrity.  Their cars are now
emerging
>above what used to be their main competitors, such as Honda and Toyota, and
>soon will be on the level of BMW, Lexus and Infiniti.  It's no wonder GM is
>taking notice since VW may soon be in a position to surpass them in the
>global car manufacturer rankings.

It's just a shame that VW Germany doesn't make a SINGLE enthusiast's
car. Not one model handles well (Polo, Golf & notchback Golf by other
names, Passat...); if you want a new VW which handles well you have
to go to South Africa. VW has lost its roots, which is part of the
reason i wouldn't buy a new German one. Gimme a new SA Microbus
please...

>I have owned at least 250 Limey motorcycles of different brands and
>varities----over a 35 year period----
>The absolute weakest link in all of these bikes was the electrical
>system---bar none---

What about the oil leaks... which cannot be stopped because the oil
doesn't only leak past seals & gaskets, but actually THROUGH the
awful-quality porous AND permeable alloy engine cases?
--
Andrew Grebneff
165 Evans St, Dunedin 9001, New Zealand
<andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut