In a message dated 4/7/02 3:34:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbrush@AROS.NET
writes:

> I would imagine that a Vanagon would win most tussles simply because the
> newest vehicles are built to self destruct from the slightest impact. If
>

Run your vanagon into a concrete wall at 5mph.    see what happens, see the
damage.
i can do the same thing with my audi (which has the gas charged 5mph bumper
shocks) and there will be no damage..
how vanagons were able to pass USDOT safety standards with non-functional
bumpers is beyond me..
chris