I disagree.

This Vanagon list could easily and very quickly collapse into a list where
nobody but middle-aged white guys feel comfortable.

It could easily turn into a list where it's OK for women to get degraded,
and where it's OK for people of different religions to get slagged, and it's
up to us to stand up and not let that happen.

I think that if the "good" does not stand up, the "bad" always wins.

Being silent or ignoring it, says you consent to it. It does!

I don't want to hear a future NPR broadcast or read a future Washington Post
article, talking about how one of the most inclusive communities in the
world, became a safe sanctuary for hate.

And let's not kid ourselves about it either. When I hear people trying to
convince me about how Hispanics are crooks, taking advantage of the
insurance companies etc - that's just what it is.

If your child said things like that  - wouldn't you as normal parents be
offended? And wouldn't you tell then it's wrong to talk like that?

So why is OK to accept that kind of talk being brought into your home daily
through this wonderful list?

I don't think it's OK, I wish it would stop, and as far as I know, the only
way to make it stop is to talk about it and how it affects us.

Remember Yoshi, from Japan? Remember the fellow from Puerto Rico?

Those guys were great to have around, and now they're gone.

I think we've lost them from our group because of what's been said here by
some people.

We just have to stop it somehow.

WORDS HURT and there's more than enough hurt going around as it is.

Marshall Ruskin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay L Snyder" <Jay.L.Snyder@USA.DUPONT.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: this is not the forum - LIST ADMIN?

> The problem is not usually what was discussed--I just delete and move on.
> The problem is the endless rants about the rants....   One or two
obnoxious
> messages generates dozens of useless responses.   Just consider the source
> and delete.
>
>                                                                   Jay