Yes, everybody, I did miss the point. I admit it.

When I read the header full of racial epithets, I kinda lost my sense of
humour.

FWIW, I just wish we'd leave that stuff alone, or just send it through
p-mail, even if some people find it funny.

YMMV.

I've had a pretty rough week, so forgive me please for going overboard on
this, OK?

Like I have said on this list before, "there was a perfect man once, and
just look at what they did to him."

Marshall Ruskin
84 Westy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Collum" <collum@bangornews.infi.net>
To: "Marshall" <mjruskin@shaw.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 03:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Now, Hold on there just a second..!

> Hi Marshall,
>
> You sure you didn't miss the point?
>
> The sign was on a Jewish mortuary .... they didn't want to do business
> with a single Jew ... 'cause they didn't want any Jews to die.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall" <mjruskin@SHAW.CA>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Now, Hold on there just a second..!
>
>
> > Question: What is the meaning of "Freedom"? (Answer at the end.)
> >
> > Regarding your post:
> >
> > The message of your post is that Jews hold their own in low esteem.
> >
> > Therefore, one can conclude that since they hold their own brethren in
> low
> > esteem, it justifies non-Jews to safely express anti-Jewish remarks
> without
> > fear of criticism
> >
> > After all, if even Jews hate Jews so much, it must be OK to treat them
> > badly.
> >
> > Your message just more hate, and it doesn't have anything to do with
> > Vanagons.
> >
> > Now, why don't you attach a version of this message on your van, or on
> your
> > residential door, or on your business card, if you believe what you
> say?
> >
> > I don't think you will, because it would have a personal consequence
> for
> > you.
> >
> > You would be confronted by people who will directly challenge you, and
> you
> > would be frightened by that, ...isn't that right?
> >
> > But you, and other people like you, always try to find a way to
> express
> > hatred behind a shield of some kind, to avoid the personal
> consequences, and
> > the fear. And the flip-side of freedom.
> >
> > Sometimes your shield from the fear is a white sheet and mask,
> sometimes
> > it's the cover of darkness, other times it's a dark basement or
> beerhall..
> >
> > Thing is, posting your message of hate here, does have a personal
> > consequence for you.
> >
> > I now hold you in low esteem, and I know others do too.
> >
> > Depending on how upset people are, you could:
> >
> > 1.    lose your rights to post to the list;
> > 2.    face a concerted group of people who shun you.
> >
> > ***Answer to "What is the meaning of "Freedom"?
> >
> > Freedom is a coin with two sides.
> >
> >     One side says, "freedom TO".
> >
> > Everybody knows that side, you included - it's a simple mantra to
> > understand, and many have willingly died for it.
> >
> >     The flip-side says, "freedom FROM".
> >
> > It's not so simple to understand, and it's meaning is totally lost on
> you.
> >
> > This list supports freedom with both of it's sides.
> >
> > Do you?
> >
> > It's time to choose.
> >
> > Marshall Ruskin
> > 84 Westy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Rodgers" <jhrodgers@MINDSPRING.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 04:24 PM
> > Subject: Now, Hold on there just a second..!
> >
> >
> > > At the risk of getting my flame suit burned to a crisp, and setting
> off
> > > a nuclear explosion among the politcally correct amongst this
> Vanagon
> > > crowd, to all the Spics, Chicanos, Pollacks, Black Irish, Frogs,
> Jews,
> > > Niggers, Whiteys, Arabs, Krauts, Gooks, Nordski's, Chinks,
> Redskins,
> > > Rooskys and whoever (who did I miss) and whatever  else we are
> comprised
> > > of to make up the membership of this great list and this great
> country,
> > > I dedicate this next one.
> > >
> > > It is, after all,  FryDaye!!
> > >
> > > John Rodgers
> > > 88 GL Drive
> > >
> > > *******
> > > Store window sign in Philly!!
> > >
> > > "WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 ARAB TERRORISTS THAN WITH A
> > > SINGLE JEW"
> > >
> > >       This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a
> business in
> > > Philadelphia. Most would be outraged at the thought of such an
> > > inflammatory statement...
> > >
> > >       One would think that anti-hate groups from all across the
> country
> > > would be marching on this business...
> > >
> > >       And that the National Guard might have to be called to keep
> the
> > > angry
> > > crowds back...
> > >
> > >       But, perhaps in these stressful times one might be tempted to
> let
> > > the
> > > proprietors simply make their statement...
> > >
> > >       We are a society who holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our
> > > greatest
> > > liberty... And after all it is just a sign....
> > >
> > >       So what business would dare post such a
> > > sign?......................
> > >
> > >       GOLDBERG'S FUNERAL HOME
>
>