Hey Stan I will take a front and rear bumper. You still in
Texas? I need to know where to send the $600.

Thanks,
Chris

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:30:08 -0500
>From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
>Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>You are talking just like a man that has never welded
anything, owned a
>pipe bender, notched a piece of pipe.
>Any muffler shop can bend schedule 40 pipe on their Huth
pipe bender
>......... anybody that has any hustle could build both the
front and back
>bumper in four hours and hand them to you to haul to the
powder coaters.
>The Projecktwo drawings with dimentions are here on my
computer if you
>want them (server will strip them but you can have them P-
mail).
>I've got about 40 years of experience in metal working and
anything over
>about $299.00 each is a RIPOFF.
>I've owned and operated every piece of equipment required
to turn out a
>set of bumpers like the Projektwo jobbies.
>Then there is the welders labor *Hable Espanol ?*, they
work for peanuts.
>In the real world its easy to see why everybody screws VW
owners
>......... they're asking for it.
>
>
>Stan Wilder
>
>On Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:50 -0700 Brent Christensen
><sbsyncro@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> Yes, these prices do seem exhorbitant when you compare
them to a
>> Smittybilt
>> bumper for a Chevy truck.  The big difference is the cost
of
>> producing the
>> jigs and plans, and then amortizing that over the number
of units
>> that you
>> will sell (as well as the cost of the materials in the
bumper
>> itself).  As
>> you can imagine, the market for Syncro bumpers is a
little smaller
>> than for
>> Jeeps or Chevy trucks.   :-)
>>
>> When you are dealing with mandrel-bent large diameter
steel tubing,
>> you
>> either need a very expensive piece of equipment, or you
need the
>> services of
>> a shop that has one.  These shops tend to charge about
$20 to $50
>> PER BEND
>> for these jobs.  Now, if you are building a double tube
bumper, then
>> you
>> have at least about 10 to 12 of these bends.  Multiply
that by $30
>> per bend
>> and you have $300 or so in just bending.   Now add the
material,
>> welding,
>> and a little bit of profit, and it is pretty easy to see
why these
>> bumpers
>> get into the $1,000 range pretty easily.
>>
>> This is one of the reasons why custom bumpers that are
NOT made from
>> mandrel
>> bent steel tubing are often cheaper.  (they are made just
from cut
>> and
>> welded steel sections).  But then you have the labor of
making the
>> welds,
>> grinding them so that they are perfectly smooth, then
powder coating
>> the
>> whole thing.  (Oh yea, that costs about $100 too).
Professional
>> welders
>> usually charge $65 to $150 per hour for work, so...
>>
>> This is one of the reasons I do not have spiffy bumpers
on my Syncro
>> - the
>> custom ones don't look good enough to justify the $$ in
my opnion.
>> I am
>> considering a rail road tie, but I can't figure out the
winch
>> mounting
>> setup....
>>
>> Brent Christensen
>> '89 Syncro Westy
>> Santa Barbara, CA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> ent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
>>
>>
>> > I don't think the deal gets much better even if you
deal with the
>> > president a the vice president.
>> > You can give it a try though, they are Ben Dover and C
Howit
>> Fields.
>> >
>> > Stan
>> >
>> > On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:15:58 -0500 Stan Wilder
<wilden1@JUNO.COM>
>> writes:
>> > > I think the layman term for $1018.00 bumpers is
*ripoff*.
>> > >
>> > > Stan Wilder
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:55:29 -0500 Chris Hinkle
>> > > <chris_hinkle@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> > > > Folks,
>> > > > Does anyone have these bumpers?
>> > > >
>> > > > http://volkscafe.com/bigbumpers.html
>> > > >
>> > > > According to Volks Cafe, they were designed based
on the
>> > > Projektwo
>> > > > bumpers,
>> > > > but don't have the diamond pattern step on top.
>> > > >
>> > > > They are $850, plus $100 for installation, and $68
tax.
>> > > >
>> > > > The tow hitch is class 3. Can sbdy please explain
what that
>> means
>> > > > in
>> > > > layman's terms?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Chris
>> > > > '87 Westy Tiico
>> > > >
>> > > >
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