Stan you are an air cooled guru. Any thoughts on upgrading
the alternator?

Thanks,
Chris

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:30 -0500
>From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery
draining primary)
>To: pokey@VANAGON.ORG
>Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>Start at the back of your van:
>Alternator belt ..... tight?
>Not burnt on the edges?
>Blue wire with the square connector plugged in?
>The two wires to your starter on nice and tight?
>With the ignition off, remove the negative cable from the
battery.
>Tap it a few times to the terminal, there should be very
little arcing.
>You can put an amps gauge between to negative battery
terminal and the
>negative cable and read the amps, you shouldn't get hardly
reading of
>draw.
>With the battery reconnected check any accessory electrical
lug on your
>fuse panel with the ignition switch off, you can just do
this with a neon
>test light ....... you shouldn't get any light.
>If you do it'll be your ignition switch that is bad.
>Also if accessories have been added like driving lights,
additional horns
>the relay sometimes stays closed and draws current, even if
the accessory
>doesn't operate unless the ignition is on or the accessory
position is
>actuated.
>Your AFM has a switch (tiny points) that run your fuel pump,
they should
>be open when the actuator rod is in neutral location.
>If you have a battery cutout devise, be sure its wired to be
active only
>with the ignition switch in the run position.
>(I'm dead set against additional solenoids at the starter
and additioinal
>batteries but I hope this has been of some use to you.)
>
>Stan Wilder
>83 Air Cooled Westfalia
>
>
>On Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:08 -0400 80 Westy Pokey
<pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>writes:
>> But the clock, radio, etc. draw already. What is normal?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:17:02 -0400
>> >From: Jay L Snyder <Jay.L.Snyder@USA.DUPONT.COM>
>> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery
>> draining primary)
>> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> >
>> >Put an ammeter across the neg. cable and the neg. post to
>> see if any
>> >current is flowing.  This will show any leakage.
>> >
>>
>
>>            Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>@gerry.vanagon.com> on
>> 05/29/2002
>> >08:59:58 AM
>> >
>> >Please respond to 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>> >
>> >Sent by:    Vanagon Mailing List
<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >To:    vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> >cc:
>> >Subject:    Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery
>> draining primary)
>> >
>> >
>> >There was no fridge relay per se, but I bought the EXACT
same
>> >relay and used it for the install.
>> >
>> >The fridge switch is NOT in the 12V position, so I can't
>> >understand why the battery is draining. Plus the aux
battery
>> >(from the admittedly micky mouse LEDs on the fridge stove
>> >unit still has a partial charge).
>> >
>> >The alternator is a seperate problem that is just making
>> >things worse.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Chris
>> >
>> >---- Original message ----
>> >>Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:33:23 -0400
>> >>From: "Vanagon man" <vgonman@msn.com>
>> >>Subject: Re:      Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery
>> >draining primary)
>> >>To: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>> >>
>> >>Did you use the existing fridge relay or install another?
>> >If you used the
>> >>existing one, then i can help.....let me know.
>> >>
>> >>PS the brush box is available anywhere..vanagain has
them.
>> >The problem lies
>> >>within your wiring.  It wounds like you have them in
>> >parallel.  The
>> >>alternator output is not the issue, it is the way it is
>> >wired.  I have had
>> >>my aux battery wired for 2 years with stock alternator
with
>> >nothing but 2
>> >>fully charged batteries.
>> >>
>> >>PS using the fridge on 12v drains any battery fast, ant
it
>> >is not very
>> >>efficient.  Propane is the way to go.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Adam P
>> >>
>> >>81 Vanagon Westy (The Brick)
>> >>70 Single Cab "Whitey"
>> >>74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
>> >>73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
>> >>1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
>> >>Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>> >>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:24 AM
>> >>Subject: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining
>> >primary)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> OK, my alternator is certainly part of the problem so
>> >rather
>> >>> than repaire I would like to upgrade.
>> >>>
>> >>> I searched the Vanagon archives and checked out Tom's
VW
>> >>> Pages:
>> >>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/90alt.htm
>> >>>
>> >>> But most upgrades are for WBX. Anyone ever upgrade an
air
>> >>> cooled Alternator?
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone have any comments on my aux battery below?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Chris
>> >>>
>> >>> ---- Original message ----
>> >>> >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:38:09 -0400
>> >>> >From: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@vanagon.org>
>> >>> >Subject: Is my aux battery draining my primary?
>> >>> >To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com,
>> >the_bug_pack@yahoogroups.com,
>> >>> type2@type2.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I thought I hooked up my second battery right. Given
the
>> >>> >fact that it was totally dead today I clearly didn't.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Before I get into the battery let me also say that I
ALSO
>> >>> >suspect my alternator brushes to be worn out. Anyone
know
>> >>> >the partnumber for the replacement cartridge?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Anyway... I jump started the vehicle and as soon as I
>> >>> >unhooked the negative terminal the engine died. This
>> >happend
>> >>> >twice. So the battery was DEAD.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Now here is how the second battery was hooked up.
First
>> >off
>> >>> >remeber this is a 1980 westy, with no stock second
>> battery
>> >>> >and no relay under the drivers seat.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Secondly, I don't know much about electrical systems
and
>> >>> >hooked this up with someone else's instruction. I
won't
>> be
>> >>> >able to follow a complex answer, nor is my
explanation of
>> >>> >the setup complex.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >1) The black sheath to the fridge was cut to do the
>> >install.
>> >>> >The rear part has a red wire (with an inline fuse)
and a
>> >>> >white wire. The front part has a blue and a red. The
red
>> >was
>> >>> >one wire before it was cut and the blue and the white
>> were
>> >>> >also the same wire.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >2) The rear portion of the sheathed wire, the one
with
>> the
>> >>> >white and the red is setup like this: The red goes
from
>> >the
>> >>> >inline fuse to the positive terminal on battery
number 2.
>> >>> >The white goes to some kind rectangular clear
connector,
>> >>> >then on the other side of the connector the wire turns
>> >blue.
>> >>> >That blue wire goes to the 86 on the relay... then
>> >continues
>> >>> >to the front part of the sheathed wire and dissapears
>> >under
>> >>> >the drivers seat.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >3) The red from the front sheathing goes to the 85 on
the
>> >>> >relay.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >4) There is a wire running from the 87 on the relay
to
>> the
>> >>> >positive terminal on battery number 2.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >5) There is a wire running from the 30 on the relay
to
>> the
>> >>> >positive terminal on battery number ONE.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I just cant figure out where the power is being sucked
>> >from.
>> >>> >Any ideas?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Thanks,
>> >>> >Chris
>> >>>
>>
>
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