In a message dated 6/18/02 3:46:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
echosmurf@YAHOO.COM writes:

> I want some of that non-government approved so far as I can see
> snake oil. I'll give three wooden nickles and three-way ticket
> to Never Never Land for a pound of it. Oh, do they also sell a
> pound of feathers with it?
> Captain Hook
> 
> --- Rolf Hastrup <rhastrup@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > Recently, when searching the internet for information on
> > conversion from R-12
> > refrigerant for my ’85 Westy and ’88 Ford Taurus, I found what
> > appears to be
> > the ideal refrigerant.  It is called Enviro-Safe 12, or ES-12.
> >  It actually
> 

actually there are a few others - one called "Freeze 12" which i have used 
(Ken wilford uses it)  and its a great substitute for R12..   its not a 
gimmick..   my R12 substituted a/c blew cold and ran great..  
actually i have one can of R12 left - the real stuff that you cant get 
anymore -  i plan on using it tomorrow to charge up my audi's a/c..  
chris