For the "hand mashie" reason alone(and the fact that the speaker really
fires into the dash),. I chose to put my Focal 6" 2 ways down low instead
of in the stock hole location.  Will repalce the CX4 Boston Acoustics soon
with something else(they werein the stock front and rear loc.).

By moving the 6" ers down low and firing up the big amp, all you have to do
is put your hand on the outside of the driver's door to understand why a
Dynamat type product is needed.  I also reinforced the area around the 4
and 6" holes with a carbon fiber/epoxy laminate that should be thinner than
any wood or formica(lack of strength?) stiffener I could've used.  May
shoot a rough digital pic ifany one's interested.  Will prolly have to run
screws into the door sheet metal to get it all to stay put, but I don't
hink Wolfsburg thought any of us would be doing big stereo things with
their little plastic clips that hold the panel in.  I have some finishing
washers from the gunwales of an Old Town Canoe(stainless) that will look
decent and should support the load with 10 screws.  May have clearance
problems, but that's what the grinder is for. Riveted the carbon to the
door panel but did not epoxy it to the fiberboard.  Was able to bolt the
speakers through both materials and use some almost zero clearance 3/16"
threaded 4 point nuts  from a Dagger canoe.  We'll see how it all fits here
in a day or two.

Dimwitted Moose and Flying Squirrel

At 12:35 AM 6/30/2002 -0700, Ty Graham wrote:
>I've got 6" Bostons in my Carat.  Have to "customize" the grills with
>your hand.
>
>Pics here:  http://www.oz.net/~tyg/TyG/Carat.htm
>
>TyG
>Lotsa Vanagons
>New Mini arrives Monday
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>Of R Blake
>Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:23 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: 90 Carat doorspeakers
>
>How big can you go with door speakers in the Carat w/electric windows?
>
>Rich Blake