

| Subject: | Re: Disc seizures - chromate compound |
| From: | Clive Smith |
| Date: | Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:22:54 +0100 |
I think when you say ant-seize (compound) there might be many types and makes of this. To avoid this type of corrosion seizure, particularly between dissimilar metals - the aircraft industry uses something called chromate compound, its a yellow paste and I beleive it contains zinc (maybe zinc chromate then) One name I remember was JC%A joitning compound, I bet that'll slow it up a bit, but then I don't know ehere to get it from now . Clive Smith '88 Syncro Transporter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richie Chunda" <Richiesbad@AOL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:01 AM Subject: Re: No Subject > In a message dated 7/11/02 11:40:21 PM, jcessence@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > << I am trying to remove the rotors on my 87 syncro... ... Does anyone have > any ideas? >> > > John, > > I have been through the misery which is now staring you in the face more than > once. First, I will tell you what I found to be the source of the problem: > there is far too little clearance between the OD of the hub flange and the ID > of rotor. I would guess this gap is about .030". Whenever the ID of the > rotor rusts, the exfoliating iron oxide fills this scant space solid and the > rusty rotor becomes one with the universe and, unfortunately, also the hub. > > The first time I was confronted with this problem, I saturated the rotor with > penetrating oil, applied some heat and went at it with a 2 lb. copper hammer. > After some abuse, it came off. At the time, I did not realize that I was, > in some small way, lucky. More about that later. I saw what the problem was > and as I mounted the shiny new Brembo's I thought for sure by painting the > mating surfaces with anti-seize that I would not get stung again. > > When it came time to renew the front wheel bearings, the anti-seize slathered > Brembo rotors would not even budge. In the end, I removed the rotors with > the hubs still attached. The rusting was much worse than before. I descaled > the rotor/hub joint as much as possible with every kind of pointed tool > imaginable, then I soaked the assembly with penetrant and tried to press them > apart on my small press. At the point that it appeared something might go > bong and drop my sorry ass into a carefully dug hole in the ground, I decided > to try a different approach. I placed a piece of plywood on the floor with > the rotor/hub (inboard side down) on it supported by a few blocks of > hardwood. I then heated the collar of the rotor with a rosebud tip in an > oxyacetylene torch. I wanted to heat the rotor as quickly as possible so > that little heat would soak into the hub. As soon as I thought it was hot > enough, I held a 6" length of 2" AL round on the center of the hub and gave > it one hell-of-a smack with a heavy hammer. It finally popped out. In > hindsight, I should have wasted away the rotors on the lathe; it would have > been quicker. > > Before, I mentioned that I was lucky the first time. I was lucky because the > original rotors were OE and they rusted far less than the Brembo's. When I > unpacked the Brembo's, I was duly impressed with the machine work on them. > What I could not see was the metallurgy in them. As pretty as they were, I > have never seen rotors rust to that extent. So, if you have aftermarket > rotors, you might have to cut them off. Keep in mind, that the edge of the > hub flange is almost hard against the ID of the rotor. > > I have heard some guys talk about beating on the rotors until they break > apart. Given a big enough hammer, I guess anything is possible, but it will > also ruin your wheel bearings while you are pounding away at it. > > Although Syncro OE wheel bearing last a long, long time, if you think yours > will need renewed soon, now might be soon enough. > > Richie
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