

| Subject: | Re: Running on Tap Water |
| From: | Max Wellhouse |
| Date: | Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:52:58 -0500 |
I had a dual stage Spearco Water Injection system on my 71 1600 with thew dual Kadron carbs and it worked very well... up until the orifices clogged and I had to unclogg them. Paid about $100 for the kit if memory serves. Haven't heard of the kitr in over a decade though. DM&FS At 02:37 AM 7/17/2002 -0400, Barry E. Muller wrote: >Some WWII fighters (Mustang, Hurricane, Spitfires mebbe) used water >injection to temporarily boost performance in extreme situations. Obviously >they were not injecting pure water into the engine - just adding it to the >mix. But hey, I read this 25 years ago, so don't start asking (me) any >details. As I recall they could run in this mode for only about 5 minutes >or so, before ruining the engine. > >bem >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clive Smith" <clive.harman-smith@NTLWORLD.COM> >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: Running on Tap Water > > > > 'I have noticed that most internal combustion engines seem to run more > > smoothly in very wet weather, assuming there are no wiring concerns and >that > > the engine is fully warmed up, but this could be another issue >altogether.' > > > > So have I, particularly in absolute downpours where the rain hitting the > > gound litterly sucks the temperature down by evaporation and the ater is >not > > necessarly held as vapour but as fine droplets. Just at this point they >seem > > to have the ability to radically alter the combustion process, as I have a > > job believing that the whole effect is solely due to reduced inlet temps >and > > the consequent higher charge mass. Shall we synthesise our 'intuitive' > > experiences here? Simply injecting water into the inlet without thinking a > > lot about exactly simulating the actual parameters that produce this >effect > > might be too simple. > > > > Clive > > '88 Syncro Transporter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Various" <AllStuff@HANS-WILLY.MYIP.ORG> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:58 PM > > Subject: Re: Running on Tap Water > > > > > > > Please let me preface my remarks by saying that I am skeptical to the > > point > > > of disbelief whenever someone claims to have invented a perpetual motion > > > machine or broken the laws of thermo dynamics... > > > > > > A few tens of years ago I remember reading (in NEWSWEEK or TIME?) about > > > someone working on a concept about injecting a small amount of water > > (finely > > > atomized) into the hot combustion chamber, just after ignition. The > > theory, > > > as explained, was that the thermal expansion rate of the finely atomized > > > water was greater than the expansion rate of the combustion gases, >mostly > > > due to the transition from liquid water to gaseous water, and therfore > > gave > > > an extra kick to the piston for "free". Exeptional gas milage was the > > quest, > > > the headline giving hope of a 100 mpg future. > > > > > > The story continued about the Oil companies' concerns and wanting to buy > > him > > > out... The concept seemed to me somewhat possible, but I never heard >about > > > > > the concept since (maybe the conspiracy really does exist ;~) ). > > > > > > I say that this seems possible, not knowing much about the thermal > > expansion > > > curves of water (steam) and gasoline combustion gases. > > > > > > I have noticed that most internal combustion engines seem to run more > > > smoothly in very wet weather, assuming there are no wiring concerns and > > that > > > the engine is fully warmed up, but this could be another issue >altogether. > > > > > > So let's see where this one goes. > > > > > > Alias Fred aka Bleu Schtroumpf > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Brodbeck [mailto:gull@CYBERSPACE.ORG] > > > Sent: 17 juillet, 2002 10:04 > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > Subject: Re: Running on Tap Water > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Timothy Crooks wrote: > > > > > > > I am no chemist, nor physicist, nor do I claim to be, but it has been > > > > demonstrated to, when I was about 14, by a chemist, that water can be > > used > > > > to make a fire burn hotter. He pointed out that there must be a fuel > > > > present, but when water as in the form of a steam, a true dry steam, >the > > > > caloric output is increased. > > > > > > Is it increased by more than the caloric input needed to make the steam? > > > > > > _ _ > > > __ _ _ _| | | | David M. Brodbeck (N8SRE) Ypsilanti, >MI > > > / _` | | | | | | >+----------------------------------------------------- > > > | (_| | |_| | | | @ cyberspace.org > > > \__, |\__,_|_|_| "Geekdom is fantastic at being AGAINST something, and > > > |___/ it's hopeless at being FOR something." > > > -- Andrew Orlowski in The >Register. > > >
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