He doesn't consider them to be "real" off road vehicles either.  He likes to go "rock hopping" and anything that can't scale a 6 foot vertical wall doesn't seem to count.

Bill

> >Somehow the Scirocco list started talking about four wheel drive and
> >someone said that VW never made a road legal 4x4 (yeah, the syncro
> >was mentioned and dismissed as a toy)

> Huh. What about the Golf and other Syncros? And the later 4-Motion > versions?