You ought to consider moving.  I'm sure a few list members would chip in for a one way ticket
to somewhere you like better.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver@CYBERSHAMANIX.COM>

>
>   Gawd, what absolute bullshit! There's no comparison between the amerikan
> crappola detroit garbage and the wonderful Japanese and German offroad
> stuff. You really think ford makes a decent product on any scale? I feel for
> you, guy. Have you even looked at the German and Austrian 4wd products? And, in
> fact, that's what US forces are using in Europe -- not ferds, not humvees.
>    There's no such thing as an amerikan made "good" vehicle. If it's designed
> here and/or built here, it's pure crap. Even VW's built here are crap compared
> to the German product.