I am just speaking from experience...............solid welding will not
solve your problem.  People have stopped the vibration without radical
welding..........Once you weld it you are done..............

Adam P
81  Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
75 Campmobile "for sale'
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Krueger" <vanagon@drkru.cotse.net>
To: <vgonman@msn.com>
Cc: <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tiico - Welding Engine Mount

> So, you are saying that the others who have welded did in fact not reduce
> vibration, although that has been reported? - See archives for those
> reports.  In fact, see Karl M's post: http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-
> bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0205A&L=vanagon&P=R37920
>
> Additionaly, what about the bending frame rail?  At this point mine is not
> bent, but what if it happens?
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> P.S.  I've been on the list since November of last year and your
> Transporter was in the paint shop then!?!?  What gives?  I hope you're not
> paying to have that done.
>
> > Solid (welding) will not solve your problem, It will amplify it.  Some
> > folks have solved the vibration, their solutions are in the archives.
> >
> > I assure you that the Vanagons assembled in SA with the Tiico motor so
> > not vibrate.  The factory installs the motor at the proper angle, and
> > torques the mounting points at the same time and thus the motor is
> > balanced in there............now no telling how yours was installed,
> > but I assure you that it was not in this manner.
> >
> > I have been in drag vw's and other hot rods over the years that folks
> > have welded the motors to the frame............you can feel the
> > vibration of the motors..........not a bad think if you are drag racing
> > a few minutes at a time, but would get old quick in a daily driver.  i
> > believe the hot rodders weld them in mainly so that when they step on
> > the gas, they are pretty confident they are not going to break some
> > sort of urethane or rubber mount.
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam P
> > 81  Westy "The Brick "
> > 70 Single Cab "Whitey"
> > 74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
> > 73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
> > 1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
> > 75 Campmobile "for sale'
> > Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derek Krueger" <vanagon@DRKRU.COTSE.NET>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tiico - Welding Engine Mount
> >
> >
> >> For those wondering why weld, this is where I am coming from, but I
> >> could quite likely be wrong and would like to know if so.
> >>
> >> One of the most common complaints I've heard from other Tiico owners
> >> is that the vibration around 3000 RPMs (and noise) is bad. Now, I
> >> would not say that mine is bad, but definately noticable. I have heard
> >> that the big problem is with the engine supports, specificaly the left
> >> (drivers or port side) one. The left support is different from the
> >> right in that it has rubber mounts (am I wrong here?).  Additionaly,
> >> other Tiico owners are noticing a problem with this mount bending at
> >> the frame.  The proposed solution to both problems being to weld it
> >> solid.  The specifics of this I do not know and thus was asking the
> >> list for them.
> >>
> >> From the archives, it appears that this mount, rather than reducing
> >> vibration, actually ampliphies it. The right support is solidly
> >> mounted,
> > so
> >> why not the left?
> >>
> >> Any further input is appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Derek
> >>
> >>
> >> > Why weld it?  Our TiiCo engine was floating around on too soft
> >> > mounts also. Basically we immobilized all 3 by cutting hard rubber
> >> > to fit in the gaps of the mounts, then jamming it in.  The rubber
> >> > came from a replacement boat trailer roller gotten at a marine
> >> > store.
> >> >
> >> > If you weld, it's very likely that you'll create a direct path to
> >> > the interior for big vibrations.  Also, wouldn't welding burn the
> >> > rubber that's already in the mounts?
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Derek Krueger" <vanagon@DRKRU.COTSE.NET>
> >> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:11 PM
> >> > Subject: Tiico - Welding Engine Mount
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Can some please post directions that I could give to a welder to
> >> >> have my engine mount welded solid?  Or, is it as simple as telling
> >> >> him/her to weld the drivers side-rear solid?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Derek
>
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