

| Subject: | Re: Fire Investigation Type IV engine |
| From: | Clive Smith |
| Date: | Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:28:41 +0100 |
>#5) The aluminum sealing washer was melted from under the oil drain plug. 550 C at this point then! Clive '88 Syncro Transporter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: Fire Investigation Type IV engine > I submit this information so folks with the 74-83 Air Cooled FI engines > might add the air distribution box to their checklist if you're smelling > fuel but not finding your fuel leaks at the injectors, lines or other > common locations. > I highly suspect that the combination of the tiny leak in the air > distribution box and the absence of the cold start fuel spray > distribution tree was the cause of this engine fire. > If you have a leak in the box it can be soldered by yourself or a > radiator shop. > *I recently had an opportunity to investigate an engine fire in a 1980 > Vanagon Air Cooled. > It is hard to detect exactly where the engine fire started but here is > what I found. > #1) The cold start spray tree was missing from the air distribution > manifold and after the fire it appears to have a leak on the bottom of > the distribution manifold. Hard to tell if this leaking condition existed > before the fire. I've never seen an 80-83 Air Cooled distribution > manifold without this tree mounted under the cold start valve. > #2) The Magnesium fan shroud caught fire (tells me there was a lot of > heat) and once the magnesium ignited the fire department just backed off > the engine fire and tried to keep the fire inside the vehicle suppressed. > It is evident that the owner used at least one fire extinguisher on the > fire and that the fire department hit the burning magnesium shroud at > least once with water, blowing portions of it back up on top of the > engine and back into the engine tin both above and below the cylinders. > #3) The fire reached high enough temperatures to melt the engine fan, the > aluminum engine yoke, the oil cooler and when I removed the 17mm head > yoke mounting bolts the threads came with them. (everything rubber, > plastic or insulated with plastic just virtually evaporated leaving > clumps of ???, but nasty). The engine tin reached high enough > temperatures that it has sags in some locations. > #4) The valve cover gaskets were burned completely out of the covers. > #5) The aluminum sealing washer was melted from under the oil drain plug. > #6) Just generally speaking all of the steel fasteners had reached high > enough temperatures that they expanded substantially and enlarged the > threads where ever they were located on the engine, top, bottom etc. They > readily screw into the threads with just light touch of the fingers. > (tells me they'll never again stay tight) > #7) Surprisingly the exhaust studs also reached high enough temperatures > that they came out rather than the nuts coming off the studs. I thought > that these studs possibly reached red hot in normal use, I see now I was > wrong on that assumption.) > I'm not completely finished with the investigation, I have a few more > things to look at. > The engine is locked, It will not budge in either direction with a 24" > breaker bar. > I'm speculating the only salvage from this engine may be the crank and > rods. I have some question about the crank since the fan end got hot > enough to reduce the seal to a tin shell and a tiny spring. > Nasty work but very interesting to me because I've got a momentary fuel > smell everytime I start my Air Cooled Westy, think I'll check out my > Westy a little better tomorrow AM. > > Stan Wilder > 83 Air Cooled Westfalia > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
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