

| Subject: | Re: Fire Investigation Type IV engine |
| From: | Stan Wilder |
| Date: | Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:17:43 -0500 |
Not a big stretch, this fire happened in Texas so it had 115 degrees (f) head start. Stan On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:28:41 +0100 Clive Smith <clive.harman-smith@NTLWORLD.COM> writes: > >#5) The aluminum sealing washer was melted from under the oil drain > plug. > > 550 C at this point then! > > Clive > '88 Syncro Transporter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:45 AM > Subject: Fire Investigation Type IV engine > > > > I submit this information so folks with the 74-83 Air Cooled FI > engines > > might add the air distribution box to their checklist if you're > smelling > > fuel but not finding your fuel leaks at the injectors, lines or > other > > common locations. > > I highly suspect that the combination of the tiny leak in the air > > distribution box and the absence of the cold start fuel spray > > distribution tree was the cause of this engine fire. > > If you have a leak in the box it can be soldered by yourself or a > > radiator shop. > > *I recently had an opportunity to investigate an engine fire in a > 1980 > > Vanagon Air Cooled. > > It is hard to detect exactly where the engine fire started but > here is > > what I found. > > #1) The cold start spray tree was missing from the air > distribution > > manifold and after the fire it appears to have a leak on the > bottom of > > the distribution manifold. Hard to tell if this leaking condition > existed > > before the fire. I've never seen an 80-83 Air Cooled distribution > > manifold without this tree mounted under the cold start valve. > > #2) The Magnesium fan shroud caught fire (tells me there was a lot > of > > heat) and once the magnesium ignited the fire department just > backed off > > the engine fire and tried to keep the fire inside the vehicle > suppressed. > > It is evident that the owner used at least one fire extinguisher > on the > > fire and that the fire department hit the burning magnesium shroud > at > > least once with water, blowing portions of it back up on top of > the > > engine and back into the engine tin both above and below the > cylinders. > > #3) The fire reached high enough temperatures to melt the engine > fan, the > > aluminum engine yoke, the oil cooler and when I removed the 17mm > head > > yoke mounting bolts the threads came with them. (everything > rubber, > > plastic or insulated with plastic just virtually evaporated > leaving > > clumps of ???, but nasty). The engine tin reached high enough > > temperatures that it has sags in some locations. > > #4) The valve cover gaskets were burned completely out of the > covers. > > #5) The aluminum sealing washer was melted from under the oil > drain plug. > > #6) Just generally speaking all of the steel fasteners had reached > high > > enough temperatures that they expanded substantially and enlarged > the > > threads where ever they were located on the engine, top, bottom > etc. They > > readily screw into the threads with just light touch of the > fingers. > > (tells me they'll never again stay tight) > > #7) Surprisingly the exhaust studs also reached high enough > temperatures > > that they came out rather than the nuts coming off the studs. I > thought > > that these studs possibly reached red hot in normal use, I see now > I was > > wrong on that assumption.) > > I'm not completely finished with the investigation, I have a few > more > > things to look at. > > The engine is locked, It will not budge in either direction with a > 24" > > breaker bar. > > I'm speculating the only salvage from this engine may be the crank > and > > rods. I have some question about the crank since the fan end got > hot > > enough to reduce the seal to a tin shell and a tiny spring. > > Nasty work but very interesting to me because I've got a momentary > fuel > > smell everytime I start my Air Cooled Westy, think I'll check out > my > > Westy a little better tomorrow AM. > > > > Stan Wilder > > 83 Air Cooled Westfalia > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
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