To clarify, I am not bashing. I am not saying that Cary has
intentionally done something wrong. All I am doing is trying
to illustrate a method to protect both buyer and seller. I
used this when I bought my laptop and I was very happy with
the result.

And yes, I too have "Sold" lots of stuff on the list only to
have the buyer bail and not return e-mails. But then again, I
never sent them stuff before getting the money up front...

Thanks,
Chris

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:40:57 -0500
>From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Selling on the Vanagon site. ( a lesson )
>To: pokey@VANAGON.ORG
>Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>Oh Crap! Lets not get into list member bashing.
>I'm an old fart and I've had so many deals go South I could
retire on the
>money that went bad.
>
>Stan Wilder
>
>On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:04:48 -0400 80 Westy Pokey
<pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>writes:
>> With the exception of a few listees who I know very well I
>> don't think I would ever send anybody anything without
>> getting payment up front.
>>
>> If you really want to sell something, and they don't want
to
>> pay up front consider using an escrow service like:
>>
>> http://www.escrow.com
>>
>> In this way the buyer pays the third party, the seller
ships
>> the goods to the buyer, the buyer then has a short period
of
>> time to inspect the goods, at which point they release the
>> funds to the seller. A pretty safe way to do things. Of
>> course there is a cost involved, but its really "the price
of
>> insurance".
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:44:13 -0400
>> >From: Clarence J Falarski <lamont@MINDSPRING.COM>
>> >Subject: Selling on the Vanagon site. ( a lesson )
>> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> >
>> >Fellow listies
>> >
>> >More then two months ago I sold some window vents thru the
>> Vanagon list to a person named Cary Chiang
>> >(  I do not know if Cary is a woman or a man )  who lives
at
>> 12304 Bedrock Trail in Austin Texas , 78727.
>> >
>> >Evidently Cary has somehow misunderstood the price of a
set
>> of window vents I sold her or him. I have tried to e Cary
at
>> both his or her p mail and on the Vanagon site and
suggested
>> that we cancel the whole deal rather than have any bad
>> feelings about anything. I suggested that she or he  return
>> my vents and I will return the $ 5.00 for shipping.  I
cannot
>> get any response what so ever  from this person and this
has
>> been going on now for over  2 months.
>> >
>> >I paid $ 49.95 plus shipping for the vents to Eurocampers
>> two  weeks prior to our agreement. Cary asked me to ship
them
>> and she or he would see if they would be ok, and if they
>> were  a check for the purchase price would follow . Cary
sent
>> me $ 5.00 for shipping, has received the vents 6 or 7 weeks
>> ago. When I did ask for the $$$ that were owed on the vents
>> the reply was  that the
>> >$ 5.00 was the only cost involved .The actual cost of the
>> vents to Cary was either  $20.00 or $ 25. 00.
>> >I told him or her  that $ 20.00 would be fine .
>> >
>> >I think this might be  a cheap lesson for me and a lesson
>> for everyone else on the list. DO NOT SHIP ANYTHING UNTIL
YOU
>> HAVE ALL THE FUNDS FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU MIGHT BE
>> SELLING.........
>> >
>> >Cary if you read this and choose to send me the balance
owed
>> that will be fine. If you want your $ 5.00 for shipping
>> >returned then return my vents.
>> >If you decide either way I will post it on the list..
>> >
>> >clarence.
>> >Pinehurst. NC.
>> >1990 westy
>>
>
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