its all about the " love for the VW we have " some like
diffrent things and others just stick with what works for
them. we all have a common bond with VW's. air, water,
whatever! :) nothing rules over.

love eachothers joys. ohh a cat just pi$$ed on my hubcap
this morning does this mean he's anti-vw? hehe

peace all
Joe

On 07 Dec 2002, Sean Solowiej wrote:

> John,
>
> I started watching this list four days ago and
> so I'm not familiar with the politics.
> However, I feel that making personal attacks
> against other list members based on engine
> preference is unnecessary and destructive.
> This list is a marvel in its open sharing of
> knowledge and experience, and everyone's
> experience is going to be a little different.
> That's why we communicate.
>
> Stan's comment was: ... "The air cooled
> engines (in my opinion) represent the best of
> simplicity in design and function Even the
> injection system is simple. I'd never consider
> a Waser boxer or conversion engine van. I go
> as fast as I require and life is simple."
>
> makes no assault at those who chose to drive
> or repair WBX engines. He's putting forth his
> philosophy that an engine that is simple to
> understand, troubleshoot, and repair and that
> will perform all the necessary functions of
> moving one across the country is ideal for
> self-reliance and reliablility.
>
> Your comment: ... "Further the old air-cooled
> "points & plugs VW mechanic(P&P)" is unfit to
> diagnose and repair a 2.1L WBX."
>
> is arguable. Saying that a person who can
> repair an air-cooled engine is necessarily
> unfit to repair a water-cooled engine is
> ludicrous. A person who is familiar with
> engine repair, able to sensitively consider
> diagnoses, and is comfortable applying them
> can help me out any day.
>
> Your following statement that: "The WBX
> technology requires a VW technician with
> factory training and Digifant diagnostic
> skills."
>
> is largely correct and helps to further the
> point that Stan and many others hold to, which
> is that when stranded at the Walmart parking
> lot in Boise it is much nicer to be able to
> diagnose and repair using one's nose, ears,
> eyes, and a screwdriver than to use up another
> call to AAA and hope there's a good, honest VW
> dealer nearby.
>
> Stan's statement (as I read it) was for a
> preference in lifestyle - that of liberation
> from the system of commercial dependence that
> is, in effect, keeping people isolated in
> their homes, afraid to leave their comfort
> zones less they should stray beyond the range
> of reliable "big-brother" bail-out facilities.
>
> Please be more respectful than to sling
> derogatory names at people for expressing
> their love for their favorite vehilces.
>
> Thank you, and no hard feelings, Sean Solowiej
>
>
>
> on 12/7/02 4:57 PM, Jfp w/2 WBXs at
> jfp7@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>
> > Hi list,
> >
> > Whenever I read a disparaging remark about
> > the WBX, quite frequently it's from Stan
> > Wilder. While I respect his undying
> > affection for the air-cooled boxer, the 2.1L
> > WBX is far superior to any air-cooled motor.
> > Unfortunately the last new WBX was sold 12
> > years ago so in engineering terms, the WBX
> > powertrain is now at the end of it's service
> > life. In other words, the original &
> > previous owners have enjoyed all the
> > reliability & service designed into the WBX
> > and then they cleverly sold them to us, the
> > Vanagon list members. That's OK since a worn
> > out 2.1L WBX can be a diamond in the
> > rough............However.........
> >
> > The reconditioning of a tired 2.1L WBX
> > powertrain must be 100% complete &
> > professional or disappointment will surely
> > follow. Replacing of only one coolant hose
> > when 6 need renewal sets the stage for
> > untimely failure. Further the old air-cooled
> > "points & plugs VW mechanic(P&P)" is unfit
> > to diagnose and repair a 2.1L WBX. The WBX
> > technology requires a VW technician with
> > factory training and Digifant diagnostic
> > skills.
> >
> > Incomplete(half-assed)reconditioning and
> > air-cooled "P&P mechanics" performing
> > "replace this and see what happens"
> > diagnosis have clearly Demolished the 2.1L
> > WBX's reputation. First by generating high
> > repair costs due to unnecessary component
> > replacement and secondly by failing to
> > diagnose critical mechanical shortcomings in
> > time to avoid a major mechanical failure.
> > When catastrophic failure occurs, the
> > untrained P&P mechanic is not likely to take
> > an ad out in the newspaper to announce that
> > they clearly missed a critical diagnosis.
> > More often than not, the incompetent
> > mechanic simply condemns the WBX and/or the
> > Digifant system as a poorly designed loser
> > technology and waxes romantically back to
> > the reliability of the air-cooled days.
> >
> > Sadly when layman Vanagon owners(and Stan
> > Wilder)encounter this result of poor &
> > incomplete diagnosis, they readily adopt the
> > dumb ass opinion that The WBX technology is
> > useless junk and and the simplistic former
> > air-cooled technology is the way to go.
> >
> > Regards, John
> >
> >
> >
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