Well said, Robert.  And well said, Sean.  What I find interesting in most of
the other responses is the emphasis on "beating the system", either the
courts or the photo-mechanism itself.

I live in Silicon Valley - it is a nightmare to drive in, with all the
SUV's, Cobra Mustangs, overbuilt pickup trucks, luxury performance cars and
all the arrogant me-first people who drive our highways and put the hammer
down when they see a yellow light.  Everyone trying to beat each other - and
"the system" - individually, selfishly.

Chris Radcliffe
chris_radcliffe@mindspring.com
'90 Westy Auto "Blue Whale"

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Sean Garrett
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:34 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Photo ticket at stop lights

The same response to you as "Fish".
I feel I am not guilty and was caught at a yellow light.
I didn't try to beat the light, I never try to beat lights. I have a family
and a safe driving moral/record.
My mother was broadsided by a cop at an intersection last year on Jan 7th
(and killed) in Phoenix. Quite honestly... go suck an egg on this issue.

Sean