That is exactly what i meant when i said:
"Most red light drivers are just too ignorant or drunk to pay attention to cameras.
It's those of us who expect certain time yellow light will stay that get cought in this mess."
Can't talk about New York, it's their culture or lack of it.
But driving is extension of our life and it's more and more "hurry up" at work,
when shopping and driving where people gain seconds but kill or loose lifes for nothing.
Leon
>In my experience that's unnecessary.  I've seen people in turn lanes start
>into the intersection *from almost a dead stop* after the light turned
>back to red.
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>New York is also notorious for red light running.  People there have
>apparently decided that a red light means three more cars can go through.
>
>People get casual about it, because they know enforcement is lax.  They
>risk their lives and the lives of other people to save two minutes of
>travel time.  Then they complain when they get ticketed for it.
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