

| Subject: | Re: Update: More idle issues for idle hands and minds |
| From: | John Rodgers |
| Date: | Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:31:41 -0600 |
Marc, I had a lot of idle problems with my 88 GL with the 2.1L WBX. Found that the crankcase breather vent hose - right on top of the engine - was rotted. It was not obvious just looking at it, but when I grabed hold of it it just came apart in my hands. it had rotted on the bottom where the oil is mostly. i got a shor piece of radiator hose to go there. It has worked fine. radiator hose won't last for ever, so I know I have to change it out for an oil resitant hose. Hope this helps. John Rodgers 88 GL Driver Marc Perdue wrote: > What a great resource this list is! Thanks for all the suggestions! Here's > what I've done and the results: > > 1) Checked the idle stabilizer valve. It was vibrating normally. Took it > out and cleaned it thoroughly with carb cleaner. It was pretty dirty. > > 2) Pulled the idle control unit, disconnected and reconnected it several > times to clean the contacts and re-installed it. > > Results: Well, the temp. outside was not as cold as it usually is in the > mornings when I start the van, 40 degrees F, so the results may not be > totally conclusive. The van started slowly, per usual, but idled at 1000 > RPMs and didn't skip as much. After a couple of minutes, the idle was > smoother, but the same speed. I didn't take it for a drive, but pressed the > gas a few times to see if the idle would change. It did, increased to 1200. > > So, before I replace the coolant temp sensor, the oxygen sensor, and/or the > idle control unit, I thought I would pass on a couple of things I observed > while doing this work. First, the vacuum hose going to the fuel pressure > regulator looked like it was in pretty rough shape, though it was hard to > tell the actual condition of the hose because it's wrapped in some kind of > cloth cover. This confirms my suspicion that the dealer didn't do a good > job of checking the hoses. Could a leaky vacuum hose to the regulator cause > these symptoms? > > The oxygen sensor looks to be a fairly well sealed unit. I was kind of > surprised at this because people had suggested that it had gotten wet and > had caused my problem a few weeks ago wherein my van stalled several times > when it was really rainy. How would one go about sealing the point where > the wires enter the O2 sensor? Silicone caulk? > > About six months ago, I had to replace a section of the exhaust pipe, the J > pipe just before the cat. converter. The joint between the pipe and the Y > in front of it seemed to be leaking exhaust. Could this interfere with the > readings of the O2 sensor and cause the symptoms I'm seeing? > > Regarding hose quality, there's a kind of fat hose below the one that > connects to the idle stabilizer valve that connects to, what, the throttle > body, the AFM? It's all squished and cracked. What is this? I know, I > could be more specific, but I'm just getting into learning my way around the > engine compartment of this vehicle, thanks to my crappy dealer service. > > Regarding the grounds my dealer "checked" . . . they don't look like they've > been touched. I'll have to come back to that one . . . > > Thanks all, > Marc Perdue > > Marc Perdue wrote: > > >>'87 Westy, 2.1l, automatic >> >>So, thermostat's replaced and grounds and hoses supposedly checked, but >>here're the symptoms I'm seeing: >> >>Cold start: Van acts like the battery's weak when I start it (it's >>not). Turns over quick at first, then slower, then finally jumps to >>life. Idles up and down at a low idle, sounds like plugs are misfiring, >>until the engine warms up a little, about a minute or so. Most cars >>I've ever owned/worked on idle high at first to warm the engine up, or >>something. What is the cold idle speed supposed to be on a Vanagon? >> >>Once warm: Idles around 900-1000 RPMs, idle smooths out, puts out a lot >>more stuff out the exhaust, particularly when it's cold out. Gas >>mileage has dropped from 16-17 down to 14 MPG. >> >>Drive for 20-30 minutes into town to work: When I'm ready to park it, I >>put it in Park (yes, automatic), and the idle jumps up to 1400-1800 RPMs >>for a few seconds then settles down to 1000-1200 RPMs. >> >>I was trying to keep track of all the suggestions that have been made >>here recently since the cold weather hit and everybody seemed to all of >>a sudden have idle issues. Unfortunately, there were so many different >>suggestions of things to check for, I figured I better ask again. >> >>Thanks for any and all help, >>Marc Perdue > >
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