Not really sure how a Sienna or Odyssey could be considered a "real"
van, I decided to look up the definition. Websters dictionary describes
a van and caravan as follows:

1 a : a usually enclosed wagon or motortruck used for transportation of
goods or animals; also : CARAVAN 2a b : a multipurpose enclosed motor
vehicle having a boxlike shape, rear or side doors, and side panels
often with windows c : a detachable passenger cabin transportable by
aircraft or truck.

Full size vans are crude in their technological development and they
stay that way because they work. They do what they are called to do and
in fleet service, they do it for hundreds of thousands of miles. They
can haul and tow more than any "mini-van" which is what the Sienna,
Odyssey, and other like it are. The Astro vans and Ford Aerostars in my
opinion are like down sized full sized vans and are the functional
equivalent of the Vega and Pinto, (Down sized cars).

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
Of Lucas & Angie Boyer
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:40 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: New Westy and Syncro Westy alternatives under $30k

While it's great to see these new vehicle options for "westy" fanatics,
I
wonder if we can get them to provide a custom conversion for a real van
like
a Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey, instead of another 'Big 3' hunk of
detroit
metal. Sorry, but I'll keep camping out of the back of my Honda Civic
before
I park a chevy, ford, or dodge in my driveway! good day.

Lucas Boyer
'01 Honda Civic
'95 Outback Wagon