Thank you all for the help...I was finally able to remove the battery, took it back to NTB...they said it was good, charged it for 40 minutes, then someone else
checked it on another machine and said it was bad...so I now have a new battery.  However, it is now dark..I will work on it when the snow goes away..May?

Hmm, that means my nifty "get out of town in case of terrorost activity vehicle" isn't ready...  Oh well.

--peace-- (and I really mean it)
   stu

--peace--
    stu