This isn't a Vanagon List, it's a vanagon owner's list. Owner's that live
and work in the United States and all over the world. Owner's that drive
Vanagons (and other VW's), other cars, motorcycles, kayaks, roller-blades,
etc. They like to talk to other people about their experiences in, around,
and about VW's as well as many other topics. They reach out to fellow
enthusiasts and offer help and support with something that we all
like...Vanagons...and life. If the conversation around the watercooler
(wasserboxer) happens to take a turn some people don't agree with, by all
means, they are encouraged to speak up. Free speech lets them do exactly
that. I am on three or four web-lists and NONE of them get as bitchy as this
one. I like to think VW owners are a pretty laid back bunch of people, but
it seems like Vanagon owners are ultra-sensitive. Oh, well, must have
something to do with blown head gaskets and overheating engines. Seems kind
of appropriate. Splitty owners are always a little slower than the rest of
the group, bay window owners are kinda goofy looking, and air-cooled Vanagon
owners.....well, I don't know, they are a pretty small bunch only born in a
three year window...

...necessary retraction and apology...

If I offended anyone, please accept my apologies(unless you realize that you
were in fact being a bit up-tight). It is Friday, and for some reason, the
rules change on Fridays. I don't know why, it just seems to be an acceptable
exception.

To set the record straight:

I thought the song/poem/rhyme about Iraq was funny and witty.
I can't believe the flight attendant was repremanded for using the "einie
meany miney" rhyme.
I have a hard time following the "fish" jokes, but I read them anyway.
I have owned all the above VW's (and then some), so the comments were about
me..let's say.

Lighten up Francis.

Humbly,

Ward

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of mike boland
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:56 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Friday sing-a-long

This is Vanagon list.. if you got a beef about Iraq  go to some other
list  political list i'm sure you'll have fun there... this liost is about
VW's not Iraq

Mike

At 12:16 PM 2/14/2003 -0500, ian Butler wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Robert Keezer wrote:
>
> > If you don't want to hear my political views than don't air yours in
> > disguise as humor. And not on the Vanagon list please! Your song is not
> > appropiate Vanagon list material and crosses the line--
>
>Whether it's "appropriate list material" is of course open to debate,
>particularly on a Friday.  I've seen this song once or twice recently ...
in
>my opinion, it's clever and not especially offensive.  And it isn't
>just disguised as humor, it *is* humor.
>
>Let's just leave it as it stands, as an amusing national commentary, and
>spare it from the realm of political discourse and debate. :)
>
>ian Butler / ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
>'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Syncro GL