Sorry for the WOB  , Just B***ching  I guess about the one that got away.
When it is all said and done I still have a Westy of my own !
Tom Czerniak

----- Original Message -----
From: "selten" <selten2@attbi.com>
To: "Vanagon man" <vgonman@msn.com>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: unethical sales

>        I agree that he was within his right to get all he could but to
post
> it as he did then essentially auction the price up was not a good way to
go
> . A more forthright way would have been to post a revised ad stating
> something like "due to popular demand the prior mentioned van is now being
> sold Best offer."
>    Part of this for me is the fact that it would be a long distance sight
> unseen purchase for most of the potential buyers.  Having bought and sold
my
> last 6 cars and 2 motorcycles via the net, Being forthright in such a
> transaction is a great commodity to experience. It makes things painless
and
> suprise free!
>
> T.C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vanagon man" <vgonman@msn.com>
> To: "selten" <selten2@ATTBI.COM>; Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: unethical sales
>
>
> > I just got an email from the fellow saying it was sold.but did talk to
him
> > Monday night on the phone where he told me he wanted $1500 for
> > it........after posting $1000.........
> >
> > I offered to overnight money, wire, etc., But truth be known he actually
> was
> > hustling all of us against each other.
> >
> > I have no bad feelings about it, for it was not meant to be.  But, if
> anyone
> > out there in the future was to sell a van on the list and intends to use
> the
> > same practices, why not just say best offer OVER $1000, or sold to
highest
> > offer.................
> >
> > I think the fellow was surprised that he got as many calls on it as he
> did.
> > Thus, he took the most he could get.  Can't get mad at him for that.
> Little
> > does he know, I would have paid $3 k for a motorless van in that kind of
> > shape.  He really lost out on me!
> >
> > Adam P
> > 81  Westy "The Brick "
> > 70 Single Cab "Whitey"
> > 74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
> > 73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
> > 1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
> > 1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
> > 1974 412 "Goldmember"
> > Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "selten" <selten2@ATTBI.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: unethical sales
> >
> >
> > > I have attempted to buy this van and while I will agree with your
point
> > > about cash in hand takes it at 1000.00 It seems to me that the sale
and
> > > bidding up  is happening via e-mail, because no one from the Memphis
> area
> > > has yet dropped 1000.00 on this. I say this because I have left
repeated
> > > messages at his # and each time get what seems to be his workplace
with
> > the
> > > message about being out of town this week. Now personally ,If I aim to
> > sell
> > > a vehicle and target it to a specific audience via this list then I am
> > damn
> > > well going to be home and will also be talking to people not just
> through
> > > the computer.
> > >      I have been trying to talk to the guy so that I can forward funds
> to
> > > secure the van. If I had secured it and had driven down from Chicago
> > > getting a tow vehicle, helper , time off  and tow dolly , showing up
and
> > > finding out that the price had gone up , I would have been ready to
> shoot
> > > some one. For the flamers, the last bit was a statement of rage not
> > action!
> > >       Any way, it looks like a nice van but the transaction is just a
> > little
> > > too flaky for me. Have at it.
> > > Tom Czerniak
> > > 87 Westy  RED BRICK
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Aristotle Sagan" <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > To: <
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:01 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: unethical sales
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sorry Marc,
> > > > If you are right here, CASH in hand with a grand, before anyone else
> > says
> > > > I'll give you 1,750 bucks for it... then it should be yours.
> > > >
> > > > But... even I, who has only sold a couple of cars using classifieds,
> > have
> > > > been stood up by people "coming down with the money".
> > > >
> > > > Nope, never again.
> > > >
> > > > If the guy has an offer for 1750, first person to get him the CASH
> > should
> > > > walk away with it. If you don't believe him, don't buy it.
> > > >
> > > > I do agree he should have said "or best offer".
> > > >
> > > > You expect too much to make him walk away from 750 bcks.
> > > >
> > > > Wire him 2 grand and I'm sure it's yours.
> > > >
> > > > tim in san jose
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Marc Perdue <marcperdue@ADELPHIA.NET>
> > > > >Reply-To: Marc Perdue <marcperdue@ADELPHIA.NET>
> > > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: unethical sales
> > > > >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:09:12 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >You're being called an "auctioneer" because you said the "asking
> price
> > is
> > > > >$1000", you didn't say "or best offer".  Yet you're entertaining
> higher
> > > > >offers
> > > > >and having people "bid" the price up.  To maintain your ethical
> > > integrity,
> > > > >you
> > > > >should sell it to the first person that offered to pay you $1,000
or
> > > > >withdraw to
> > > > >offer the van for sale and re-list it as "$1,000 or best offer."
> > > > >
> > > > >Marc Perdue
> > > > >
> > > > >isdn128 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you calling me an ""auctioneer"" before or after you offered
> to
> > > > >match
> > > > > > any offer?   I keep my word, but yes it is true that many people
> > have
> > > > > > offered more!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
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