I was not trying to stifle (Edith??) anyone's opinion.  If you have an I4...
more power to you.  If you have a Subaru... good for you.  If you have seven
trained hamsters... alright!!

My point was that it is tiresome listening to all of the name calling and
general smack being spewed on the list over one post.  For every intelligent
response to "no names" misguided post there were at least 3 that were just
bashing and rude.

This is not the right forum for personal attacks.  Take it to pmail.  IMHO.

Cheers,

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of Robert Keezer
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:00 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 86 syncro I-4 swap

Right -o! Keep the discussion alive!

The I-4 bashers give needed publicity to a proven and reliable engine
solution for the Vanagon.

This is always a good subject for the list as long as it doesn't degenerate
into a cat fight because of one or two imature people who don't understand
what a debate or discussion is.

True- we i-4 folks responded to a highly emotionally charged posting where
we were implored three times(please please please) not to install an I-4
engine in our Vanagons.

Did I make a major mistake in putting a I-4 engine in my Vanagon which has
served me well for 8 years?
Did I miss something? Is there a secret horror awaiting me that no one has
the heart to tell me about?
Or am I defending it because it generates (not) income for me?

I think there are some who hate the bashing of any engine on this list
because they are sleers of the same.
But isn't critical duscussion and analysis of the Vanagon and it's engines a
fair topic of conversation? Or should we talk politics?

Or do we have to follow some sort of general consensus not to offend anyone
by not having bias toward one engine or another?

I did not object to Chris denouncing of the I-4 engine. Every such debate I
welcome. Everyone here is intelligent and able to decide for themselves
after hearing all the pros and cons.

But should we stifle honest fair discussion about things pertaining Vanagon?

What is inherently wrong or against list rules to discuss the opinions about
engines? You have a WBX engine to sell OK- I see it now.

Well suppose I have a I-4 to sell- did I get on this list and say hey people
let's stop talking about the 112 hp super waterboxer motor because it bores
me?

Not me, I'll never say this because I find it interesting. If someone can
actually save the WBX from extinction more power to them.

When you finally perfect it I hope you also made it easier to change that
waterpump!

Robert
1982 Westfalia

----Original Message Follows----
From: Douglas L Urner <dlu@PATROSA.CANISHE.COM>
Reply-To: dlu@PATROSA.CANISHE.COM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 86 syncro I-4 swap
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:13:51 -0700

 >Does anyone else think this thread is getting old... very old...

Getting?  I mean it's nice to know that lots of folks are happy with
well done I4 conversions, but I'd sort of guessed that already . . .

Doug
--
Douglas L. Urner <dlu@canishe.com>  Port Orchard, WA   +1 360 769 5565

Robert
1982 Westfalia 1987 Wolfsburg

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