

| Subject: | Re: New AC Thing |
| From: | Loren A. Busch |
| Date: | Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:41:39 -0700 |
...... highly suspicious that R12 was outlawed right about when the patent on it was about to expire...... Come on now. Freon (R-12, R-22, etc) has been in use as a refrigerant/propellant for many many years longer than the 17 year life of a patent. I helped my father work on Freon based cooling systems back in the 50's (and Kyrene(sp?) and several other bad smelling fluids. BTW, if you followed the links in the early part of this thread you got to the EPA site that listed ALL of the legal substitutes for R-12, and R134 is NOT the only legal replacement. Go here: http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/refrigerants/lists/mvacs.html Note that two of the products that have been discussed here on several occasions are listed as legal, Freeze 12 and Free Zone. Here for color codes and fittings: http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/refrigerants/fittlist.html Here for actual content of replacements: http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/refrigerants/macssubs.html (way down the page) and here for the EPA synopsis of what is legal and why: http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html - q3 Of special interest to me is the reason that many of these substitutes are not yet legal is simply 'insufficient information on safety' or words to that effect. It is very interesting to read section 10 'Is it legal to replace HFC-134a in a motor vehicle with hydrocarbon refrigerants such as DURACOOL 12aR and HC-12aR?' on that last link above.
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