

| Subject: | Re: vanagon sized/shape/style vehicles |
| From: | Andrew Grebneff |
| Date: | Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:35:22 +1200 |
>one type of bus i always kinda lusted after was a Mercedes >MB-100. >about the same size and shape as our vanagons, but with a front >engine between the front seats. >i think they've discontinued it in favor of their >more-minivan-shaped vehicles. :( The MB100 looks like a Hiace gone wrong. It's also FWD, and made in Korea... I strongly suspect therefore that it is actually a Ssangyong design (until recently Ssangyong was a manufacturer making locally-designed large Musso 4WDs using Mercedes sixes & diesel 5s; it was bought out by another manufacturer recently) and not a real Mercedes.. >and i think the public misconception of no-nose = no protection >continues, Unfortunately! The Type 2 and Hiaces prove that forward-control vans CAN be safe... to their occupants (not to the occup[ants of the other car, though!... ie see the Caravelle vs Volvo crashtest). >and you aren't likely to see any well-designed >vehicles (like our vanagons) that use the interior space >efficiently or effectively. the Honda is an attempt at it, but >look at the intended audience: surfers, bikers, hikers ... not a >soccer mom in the bunch! ;) Fortunately the YH/LH-100-series Toyota Hiace is still going gangbusters in production, though there is also a longnosed so-called Hiace sold alongside it! I hope Toyota sees the light and continues the cabover design. The Mitsubishi Delica (=Express, L300) is still in production in Korea as the Hyundai H100. Kia has just released a cabover Hiace clone also. Mazda is also still making its Bongo (also sold with Ford Econovan badges). Strictly speaking these Japanese vans are front-midengined, as the engine is located inline & slightly behind the front axle line ie within the wheelbase. >but then, i wouldn't mind if the vanagons were a tad bigger. Nah, it's plenty wide enough already. Want wider, get a Dummer... I mean Hummer. >anyway, i guess my point is, they ain't making no more no-nose >vans ... See above >and the vans they are making aren't very good for what >we want. No, the long-nosed vans either are the same length as a VW with 1.5m less cargobay length, or the entire vehicle is 1.5m longer...TOO long!! Crap. I'll stick with rear-engined VWs and Hiaces (I just bought 2 1986 LWB 10-seater dual-slider 2.4 diesel Hiaces, one being an LH66 dual-range 4WD). The trend toward Eurovans is lamentable. I believe the Hiace is sold in M�xico. What's to stop people bringing them into the US privately? -- Andrew Grebneff 165 Evans St, Dunedin, New Zealand 64 (3) 473-8863 <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> Fossil preparator Seashell, Macintosh & VW/Toyota van nut
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