I was going to go into my whole schpiel about how security and safety are
being used as excuses to nibble away our freedom, privacy, and civil
liberties.  I'll stop short of that, however, because I realize that this is
not the place for that discussion.  Please let's steer this thread back
towards something containing at least SOME Vanagon content.

Rod Woten
'87 Westy
Des Moines, Iowa

-----Original Message-----
From: developtrust [mailto:developtrust@COX.NET]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:50 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: The Ideal vanagon

Am I missing something? If one has nothing to hide, why be concerned if you
can be found?

To me, not scary at all if you are honest and not a criminal. It is actually
(for honest people) a security and safety thing isn't it? Lost? You can be
found? Kidnapped? You can be found. Cell phone stolen? It can be found.
Sounds pretty good to me. Want privacy? Leave the cell phone at home. Want
emergency help? Bring the cell phone with you.

William

> i know a few people that work in the national security sector (people
> that can't tell me what they do and who or where they work)... even if a
> cell phone is turned off and the battery is out, the cell phone tower
> will still be able to contact it, and help to pinpoint the phone's
> location. It is not until enough of the juice is drained out of the cell
> phone (w/o the battery) that it will cease to function. Pretty scary. I
>
> Joseph Fortino wrote:
>
> > as soon as they install complete GPS signal tracking you'll be tracked.
> > this includes the GPS software. most phones don't support it yet.
>