There are even some listees in Cacada and we have our own problems
with governments. So keep the politik out of here.

      KARL

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "mark drillock" <drillock@EARTHLINK.NET>
  To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:13 PM
  Subject: Propane Tanks, (NVC) politics NO!

  > Now that I have been properly clued in to the intended meaning of some
  > of his post here is my reaction.
  >
  > Can't we leave this political stuff out of our posts?
  >
  > I have not read that much of the stuff regarding these regs but what I
  > have read clearly predates any possible link to the current regime
  > whatever it's other faults may be.
  >
  > It seems that OPD devices were first forced on some tank manufactures
  > due to a class action court case in Marin, California, in 1994. Not
  > exactly Bush country, not exactly a tank manufacturer's conspiracy.
  > Liberal Northern California courts, maybe? Perhaps some tanks actually
  > did blow up? Maybe the devices are even a good idea? (Superior Court for
  > the State of California for the County of Marin, settlement order in
  > Case No. 157907)
  >
  > It seems that the regulatory requirements for OPD to be fitted on new
  > DOT tanks began in Oct 1998 while pre-existing DOT tanks were allowed a
  > grace period to remain in use without retrofitment until Apr 2002. How
  > did Bush manage that? He wasn't sworn in until 2001 and some other guy
  > was Pres at the time the regs were issued.
  >
  > If one is unable to avoid dragging politics into list posts perhaps
  > limit oneself to at minimum half truths.
  >
  > My preference is for no politics on the list. I don't really need to
  > know what people here think of politicians, past or present. I really
  > don't need to read falsehoods, whatever part of the political spectrum
  > they may come from.
  >
  >
  > Mark
  >
  >
  > Pensioner wrote:
  > >
  > > Portable propane tanks are DOT tanks and require recertification.  The
Westy
  > > one is an ASME tank which does not require recertification, at least
not
  > > yet.  When your DOT tank is 12 years old, empty it and recycle it, the
  > > ninnies in our current regime require a new overfill protection device
or
  > > OPD on all DOT tanks so the untrained masses don't continue to kill
  > > themselves in large numbers by overfilling the old tanks.  It seems
the
  > > piles of bodies littering the landscape became offensive to the tank
  > > manufacturers who lobbied the shrubbery to get the law passed, all in
the
  > > name of safety and security as is the fashion these days.  I have a
local
  > > purveyor who fills my tank.  The local purveyor near Kayenta AZ had no
  > > issues with a nicely kept 15yr old DOT tank.  YMMV.