Ken,

Thanks for the comments and clarifications. I guess my biggest concern would
be the plastic caps on the ends. I'd worry about water making it into the
tubes and starting some rust. Sounds like a good product.

The price drop is certainly a nice feature. I wish you success.

Cheers,
Bruce

>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:01:56 -0500
>
>Good point.  About Pzwo caring, I am sure that would care about the use
>of their name if I was saying they were Pzwo bull bars and they weren't.
>The only reason I mention them is for comparison sake.  They have
>discontinued selling these bull bar bumpers (it is my understanding that
>they didn't actually make them, just marketed and sold them under their
>name).  I could say, "Hey I have a set of bull bar bumpers for sale."
>and not mention Pzwo but mentioning them usually brings up the image of
>what they look like in a person's mind.  Anyway, the other bumpers that
>we sell are made in the US.  The three main differences that I know if
>between them and the original Projektzwo bull bar bumpers are:
>The Pzwo bumper had a very thin aluminum plate "step" on the top, these
>have nothing there.
>The Pzwo bumper had welded round metal caps on the ends of the pipes,
>these have plastic caps.
>The rear bumper on these has a 2" receiver hitch welded in, the Pzwo
>bumpers did not have this.
>
>These are the facts.  I guess I'll have to wait until one of my newer
>customers hits an Antelope to tell you for sure the US made ones are up
>to the same standard as the Projektwzo ones.
>
>PS did I mention the price was half.  This is mainly because of not
>having to pay tons of money for shipping from Germany.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Wilford
>John 3:16
>http://www.vanagain.com
>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>Of Bruce Nadig
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:14 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>
>
>Ken,
>
>Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked and it
>clearly says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder Coated)
>Discontinued" and "Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder Coated)-
>$899.00 (Discontinued)". Sure, it looks like you are offering an
>American made alternative, but is it made to the same standards (I'm NOT
>American bashing here!)? Two things can look the same, but be made to
>very different standards when you take into consideration type of steel,
>gauge, quality of the welds, etc.
>
>The reason I bring this up is that you specifically reference the
>Projektzwo name where you are trying to sell an imitation product. The
>Projektzwo folks probably wouldn't be too happy about this. I'll be the
>first to admit that the American made alternative you offer could be
>every bit as good, if not better, than the discontinued PZ units, but
>please try to be careful when representing your products.
>
>I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look alike
>products. Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as Charmin. Just
>because the PZ bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean that your
>generic (which the American units basically are, who knows who is making
>these bumpers and to what standard?) bars will do the same.
>
>Just my two cents.
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>
> >From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
> >Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
> >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500
> >
> >If you look on our website on the accessories page you will see the
> >Projektzwo bull bars that we sell.  I can only tell you about them that
>
> >one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent the bull bar
> >some but the front of the van was unhurt.  Pretty tough.  Then they
> >just bent the bumper back again (torch and welding equipment required)
> >and they were good to go.  Just FYI.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ken Wilford
> >John 3:16
> >http://www.vanagain.com
> >http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
> >Phone: (856)-327-4936
> >Fax: (856)-327-2242
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>
> >Of robertmstewart
> >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
> >
> >
> > > Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards actually do
> > > anything to protect the van in event of an accident?, some look like
>
> > > it might do more damage.
> > >
> > >  I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeep�s and some appear
> > > to
> >
> > > attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would happened if I
> > > rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of these things
> > > on
> >
> > > what kind of protection it would offer the front end of the van, the
>
> > > driver and front passenger?
> > >
> > > Can the front of the Van truly be protected from damage from a high
> > > impact accident with a bush guard?
> > >
> > > Are they worth their high costs?
> > >
> > > What�s their benefit other than looking cool?
> > >
> > > What�s the best unit available and from what dealer?
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > NYC
> > > 89 Carat
> > > ----------
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon Bush Bumpers?.
> > > Is
> >
> > > there a cheaper option available?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Noel
> > > 82 Westy
>
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