Don,

THAT'S a GOOD idea.

tim in san jose

>From: don spence <dspence@OANET.COM>
>Reply-To: don spence <dspence@OANET.COM>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: pet peeve-edit your replys
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:18:20 -0700
>
>Is it really necessary to include all the stuff below just to say
>
>"My Projektwzo copies have the plastic caps, I just shot a can
>>of Krown rustproofer inside, it will swish around as I drive.
>>I'll probably do it once a season.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Chris"
>
>Please folks, (Chris is not the only culprit) edit your replies. You
>are gobbling up server/archive space, filling our inboxes and ISP's
>servers  with useless unnecessary repetition and making an archive
>search an arduous task . Please include only the reference necessary to
>let us know what you are talking about.
>nuff said.
>
>On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:42  AM, Automatic digest processor
>wrote:
>
>>Date:    Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:32:02 -0500
>>From:    80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>
>>
>>---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:21:31 -0600
>>>From: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>
>>>Ken,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the comments and clarifications. I guess my
>>biggest concern would
>>>be the plastic caps on the ends. I'd worry about water
>>making it into the
>>>tubes and starting some rust. Sounds like a good product.
>>>
>>>The price drop is certainly a nice feature. I wish you
>>success.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:01:56 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Good point.  About Pzwo caring, I am sure that would care
>>about the use
>>>>of their name if I was saying they were Pzwo bull bars and
>>they weren't.
>>>>The only reason I mention them is for comparison sake.
>>They have
>>>>discontinued selling these bull bar bumpers (it is my
>>understanding that
>>>>they didn't actually make them, just marketed and sold them
>>under their
>>>>name).  I could say, "Hey I have a set of bull bar bumpers
>>for sale."
>>>>and not mention Pzwo but mentioning them usually brings up
>>the image of
>>>>what they look like in a person's mind.  Anyway, the other
>>bumpers that
>>>>we sell are made in the US.  The three main differences
>>that I know if
>>>>between them and the original Projektzwo bull bar bumpers
>>are:
>>>>The Pzwo bumper had a very thin aluminum plate "step" on
>>the top, these
>>>>have nothing there.
>>>>The Pzwo bumper had welded round metal caps on the ends of
>>the pipes,
>>>>these have plastic caps.
>>>>The rear bumper on these has a 2" receiver hitch welded in,
>>the Pzwo
>>>>bumpers did not have this.
>>>>
>>>>These are the facts.  I guess I'll have to wait until one
>>of my newer
>>>>customers hits an Antelope to tell you for sure the US made
>>ones are up
>>>>to the same standard as the Projektwzo ones.
>>>>
>>>>PS did I mention the price was half.  This is mainly
>>because of not
>>>>having to pay tons of money for shipping from Germany.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ken Wilford
>>>>John 3:16
>>>>http://www.vanagain.com
>>>>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>>>>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>>>>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>>>Of Bruce Nadig
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:14 PM
>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ken,
>>>>
>>>>Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked
>>and it
>>>>clearly says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder
>>Coated)
>>>>Discontinued" and "Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder
>>Coated)-
>>>>$899.00 (Discontinued)". Sure, it looks like you are
>>offering an
>>>>American made alternative, but is it made to the same
>>standards (I'm NOT
>>>>American bashing here!)? Two things can look the same, but
>>be made to
>>>>very different standards when you take into consideration
>>type of steel,
>>>>gauge, quality of the welds, etc.
>>>>
>>>>The reason I bring this up is that you specifically
>>reference the
>>>>Projektzwo name where you are trying to sell an imitation
>>product. The
>>>>Projektzwo folks probably wouldn't be too happy about this.
>>I'll be the
>>>>first to admit that the American made alternative you offer
>>could be
>>>>every bit as good, if not better, than the discontinued PZ
>>units, but
>>>>please try to be careful when representing your products.
>>>>
>>>>I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look
>>alike
>>>>products. Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as
>>Charmin. Just
>>>>because the PZ bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean
>>that your
>>>>generic (which the American units basically are, who knows
>>who is making
>>>>these bumpers and to what standard?) bars will do the same.
>>>>
>>>>Just my two cents.
>>>>
>>>>Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>>>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>If you look on our website on the accessories page you
>>will see the
>>>>>Projektzwo bull bars that we sell.  I can only tell you
>>about them that
>>>>
>>>>>one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent
>>the bull bar
>>>>>some but the front of the van was unhurt.  Pretty tough.
>>Then they
>>>>>just bent the bumper back again (torch and welding
>>equipment required)
>>>>>and they were good to go.  Just FYI.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Ken Wilford
>>>>>John 3:16
>>>>>http://www.vanagain.com
>>>>>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>>>>>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>>>>>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>>>
>>>>>Of robertmstewart
>>>>>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM
>>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards
>>actually do
>>>>>>anything to protect the van in event of an accident?,
>>some look like
>>>>
>>>>>>it might do more damage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeep?s
>>and some appear
>>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would
>>happened if I
>>>>>>rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of
>>these things
>>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>>what kind of protection it would offer the front end
>>of the van, the
>>>>
>>>>>>driver and front passenger?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can the front of the Van truly be protected from
>>damage from a high
>>>>>>impact accident with a bush guard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are they worth their high costs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What?s their benefit other than looking cool?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What?s the best unit available and from what dealer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Robert
>>>>>>NYC
>>>>>>89 Carat
>>>>>>----------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon
>>Bush Bumpers?.
>>>>>>Is
>>>>>
>>>>>>there a cheaper option available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Noel
>>>>>>82 Westy
>>>>
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